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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#711

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They are a bunch of islands in the middle of nowhere with a population of a larger city - how is their situation applicable to any major nation in the world ?

Uhuh. Hawaii, an entire US state that is "a bunch of islands in the middle of nowhere" and yet somehow didn't eliminate the virus has far fewer people than New Zealand.

Did they lockdown travel into the state like NZ did?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#712

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Vaccine refusal has not become a major partisan political issue in any other country. It happened here because of the shameless cynicism of the Republican Party and aligned media apparatus.

You must be joking? As bad as (some) Republicans are let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Not only did that put distrust into the hearts of people on the left, it also gave ammunition for the people on the right. It should have never been a political issue. Unfortunately this is a bipartisan problem (though right now it's more prevalent on the right, I suspect if…

As far as I can tell Biden and Harris said they distrusted the Trump rollout of the vaccine but not the vaccine itself. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-pos...

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#713

Nonpharmaceutical interventions do work. With Internet and E-commerce, full scale lockdown becomes tenable. Together with mass PCR testing, the virus can be eradicated. The virus can't teleport, and it is here to stay only because the decision-makers thought that it was the cheaper option to let it spread (it is not), then didn't want to admit being wrong. It is sad to see that with all the technologies available, th…

I think it would be useful for you to go through the employment by occupation percentages [1] to get an idea of the percentage of jobs that would be eradicated with sustained full lockdown, for those that can't work from home.

1. https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/emp-by-detailed-occupation.ht...

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#714
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"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

People will always be sceptical of deviations from the status quo and politicians will always be there to capitalize on those fears for substantial gains of power. We have the most educated populis in human history and we're still seeing these problems. I'm not sure how you could fix vaccines becoming a political issue without major changes to the political structure.

> We have the most educated populis in human history and we're still seeing these problems

This is not really true. Maybe more educated in some areas but not in all of them. People used to be much better educated to build a garden, better educated to understand the nature. I don't think people think differently than they did hundreds of times ago, I don't feel like we are individually smarter

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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The only things pushed were masks and vaccines. Nothing about Vitamin D (or C for that matter) supplementation. No push for healthy lifestyles or reduction of obesity rate. Nothing about developing new mask or shield technologies. Nothing about the use of UV light safe to stand in that kills virus. Nothing about ventilation system technology. Or permanently moving some activities outdoors. We should have had a full-c…

> No push for healthy lifestyles or reduction of obesity rate.

Obese and unhealthy people won't become healthy if you ask the nicely. It's requires a lifestyle change.

> Nothing about developing new mask or shield technologies.

Not even a simple lifestyle change like putting some cloth over your face is being tolerated.

> Nothing about ventilation system technology. Or permanently moving some activities outdoors.

And many things that would help would be at an fairly incredible financial cost (~$2 billion to cover schools, at an incredibly unrealistic $15k/school), or impossible (most local climates do not allow for comfortably staying outdoors all day).

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#716

Nonpharmaceutical interventions do work. With Internet and E-commerce, full scale lockdown becomes tenable. Together with mass PCR testing, the virus can be eradicated. The virus can't teleport, and it is here to stay only because the decision-makers thought that it was the cheaper option to let it spread (it is not), then didn't want to admit being wrong. It is sad to see that with all the technologies available, th…

permanent lockdown should be encouraged because we have the internet and can buy stuff online? sorry but no.

Either we do a full lockdown to reach zero COVID, like NZ and China did (while buying stuff online), or we would have to do prolonged mockdowns like in Europe.

The Chinese have been living a mostly normal life (albeit with limited foreign travel possibilities, and sporadic lockdowns in isolated locations) for a year.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#717

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I was 35 pounds overweight. Saw the writing on the wall and in three months I'm down 25-30 pounds. Stopped eating sugar and bread and only eat one meal 2-4 times a week.

The trick is to keep that going in the longterm. I did manage to lose that amount of weight in the same amount of time as well, but ended up gaining it back in under 5 years, which I hear is the fate of most people who lose weight.

So true!

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#718
post #646

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GP's statement contradicts the scientific literature - vaccination does reduce viral load of subsequent infection, and consequently reduces transmission [1]. However folks should be aware that immunity acquired through natural infection is robust and durable, and also has the same effect of reducing viral load and transmission [2]. It has been documented that people with asymptomatic infection will clear the virus qu…

Covid-19 vaccination used to reduce viral load of subsequent infections. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work with the current Delta variant - both the CDC in the US and PHE in the UK have released studies finding that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is basically the same. They're also not so effective at stopping people from catching the Delta variant, and when you combine that with its high…

Even in the case of the delta variant vaccinated people who get infected are more likely to have reduced symptoms (if they have any noticeable symptoms at all). That means a lot less coughing up huge plumes of virus over great distances. Nothing is perfect, but in the end the vaccines increase your odds of not being infected while decreasing your odds of spreading the virus. Herd immunity may not be reached but we can drastically reduce deaths and serious illness. That's already a win for vaccines.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

>Today, thanks to air travel, the world is a village. Wuhan is exposed one week, and the world the next. Why didn't China impose strict lockdown in the early days of epidemic in Wuhan area instead they let millions of Chinese people travel around the world and spread COVID? But then we wouldn't know "the true power of mRNA therapies and medications". Honestly death rate of 0.1% is not something to go crazy about. The…

It's not a 0.1% death rate. Over 1.6% of US confirmed covid cases have resulted in death for example. To get a 0.1% death rate you either have to assume there is 10 times more unreported cases (in which case everybody in the US has had covid once or multiple times already at this point) or claim stupid shit like people with comorbidites were going to die then anyways.

Please don't spread misinformation.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

#720

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Yes. For small island countries like New Zealand it works "great." This was never an option for countries like the US, or even most of Europe. Much less so for countries like India. But we'll see how it goes. If New Zealand and Australia persist in this notion that they're going to stay locked down until the virus goes away, particularly with its endemicity now inevitable, I think you will soon find vast swaths of th…

You can't really look at the US and say "it doesn't work", because even the slightest restrictions were leveraged into a major political issue.

You can't say it looking at the US, but I think it's hard to find fault with the strength of the initial lockdowns in France or Spain or Italy.
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