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Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by webkike » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #394

webkike wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the thread > Which, to be clear, they kinda were. PornHub was notoriously bad among the tube sites for its reckless lack of content moderation and exploitation of the people whose videos ended up there. Because of the story, Visa and MasterCard both cut PornHub off. This should be fairly easy to verify and would corroborate the thread

The issue is that they "were" in the same way that the ocean does indeed "contain" fecal matter in it. I doubt their moderation was "reckless" For how many actual offending videos they are compared to the sheer amount of uploads the site had. Any and all websites that allow user published content runs into this issue. It's just a matter of how fine a comb the investigations want to put on it.

You’re missing that this is in comparison to other tube sites. There is a direct comparison here between the moderation or porn hub and other websites, and the claim is that porn hubs moderation was worse. It’s fine to say that content moderation is hard, but it’s much harder to justify doing a crappy job in comparison to other content moderators, especially those in the same space as you.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by rkk3 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:34 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #252

rkk3 wrote: post #247

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> Did PornHub have revenge porn, child trafficking, etc. on the site? Yes. Does Facebook have revenge porn, child trafficking, etc. on the site? Yes.

I don’t understand the point… journalists shouldn’t report on child trafficking content unless they catalogue every instance of child trafficking content on the internet?

Every instance? FB and the other social companies are the worst offenders.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by rendall » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

throw_awa123 wrote: post #149

rendall wrote: post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

This is just an opinion from a real world example: I've done some stripping when I was young. I did it because my gf was doing it and was making a lot of money. This was the only way we could make good money without breaking the law. I've met the most broken and scummy people there is during that time. It ultimately broke our 7 year relationship. You pay an emotional price for making easy money. You have to be very s…

I had 2 close friends who stripped. One was on the ball. Had software that kept track of her income, and banked it. The other earned 5k-10k a night, but did speed to handle it, got super irrational, and turned her entire 250k savings over to some crazy guru character. That sucked

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by rendall » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:26 PM UTC

lishzen wrote: post #335

rendall wrote: post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

Yours is a short question to make, but it requires a very long answer, not fit for a comment box. The negative consequences of prostitution are deeply personal because the effects of sex on the participants go deeper and last longer than the effects of the act of copulation. If you want a good argument against prostitution one route could be to understand the link between sexual expression and: intimacy, self esteem,…

> but it requires a very long answer...

The argument for is pretty compelling: consenting adults have the moral right to sexual privacy, and other adults do not have any moral rights to pry or interfere.

The argument against must be at least as clear and compelling, not "well, it's complicated..."

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by Siira » Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

nonameiguess wrote: post #64

At least this explains why normal porn sites keep living on perfectly well using MasterCard and Visa. They already have to follow regulatory requirements to demonstrate they are complying with age and consent laws, each video includes a front-matter frame saying where you can get the documentation of their compliance, and many include behind-the-scenes extra content showing all of the performers presenting government…

Considering there is no garbage collection for regulations, and incumbents apply huge pressure to further entrench bad tradeoffs, I see apps that subvert the laws and demonstrate immense benefits to both the workers and the consumers as positive trends.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by Siira » Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

lishzen wrote: post #335

rendall wrote: post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

Yours is a short question to make, but it requires a very long answer, not fit for a comment box. The negative consequences of prostitution are deeply personal because the effects of sex on the participants go deeper and last longer than the effects of the act of copulation. If you want a good argument against prostitution one route could be to understand the link between sexual expression and: intimacy, self esteem,…

The most basic question of all when banning private transactions between consenting third-parties is that why you are more qualified to judge the trade-offs of the trade than the participants, as the participants know their own values best, and hold their own best interest in mind (while you might be incentivized to benefit yourself in some way, e.g., boss others around, virtue signal, etc).

There are lots of jobs that cost the workers something precious. Banning them is likely to hurt the workers, not help them. To help the workers, opportunities for learning marketable skills must be presented, and productive job positions created.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by Chris2048 » Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

johnnyanmac wrote: post #414

Chris2048 wrote: post #380

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But you can require jewelry sellers to keep records to prove their items are not stolen. How do you prove your prostitutes are no coerced? Further, stealing is usually considered less severe than rape. At least people can take measures to prevent theft.

>How do you prove your prostitutes are no coerced? I don't know. How do you prove that any paying job between a paying company and their employees aren't coerced and that the company isn't abusing their employees? As seen with some recent lawsuits, you don't for years until something eventually prompts investigation. I imagine it's the same here. If it's illegal then the workers have no legal resource and are trapped…

> How do you prove that any paying job between a paying company and their employees aren't coerced and that the company isn't abusing their employees?

You can't/don't, but regular jobs are not usually associated with trafficking. And three tends to be less privacy - people don't care as much to file their brothel visits as their cafe visits - wrt regular business, the IRS is known to be formidable if all activity is known about.

> If it's illegal then the workers have no legal resource

prostitution is the job many locals don't want. A similar situation might arise in say, illegals trafficked in and having their passport taken, but this is considered less of an issue do to competition from non-coerced labour, and that labourers are harder to threaten by single "pimps".