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The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by h3cate »

da_chicken wrote: post #303
anonymouse008 wrote: post #261

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> the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated We often overlook those who were previously infected. I believe this is a common mistake that makes for inaccurate groupings, which negatively affect the common good.

Previous infection provides relatively short-lived natural immunity to COVID-19. I tested positive the last week of December 2020 (exactly three weeks before I was scheduled to get the vaccine, which I did also eventually get). When I spoke to the county health department, they said they had already seen repeat infections. They said immune protection from direct exposure only seems to last 3-6 months, which is backed…

Are there any links to studies that say antibodies produced from having covid only last 3-6 months?

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Post by h3cate »

sgc wrote: post #281
tomp wrote: post #248

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I wish this was true. Most Europe is still under various lockdown restrictions, even though in a lot of countries, there's been enough vaccine for everyone (who wanted) to get vaccinated by now.

Children under 12 are a major group that drop vaccination percentages down significantly everywhere. The hope is that once this age group can also be vaccinated, we can find the new normal and let people individually hedge their own bets.

Why vaccinate children under 12? The only good reason I can see is if they have some sort of known health condition. Is there any other reasons why you would do this?

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Post by erhk »

heywherelogingo wrote: post #267
outside1234 wrote: post #229

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I don't think that's unpopular. More precisely, once the vaccine is available to all age groups, the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated. And they will have had every opportunity to get vaccinated, so we shouldn't optimize for them.

To think the unvaccinated should be scared of it reveals a perspective born of mania. I'm unvaccinated, had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold. There is no way I will bother with the so-called vaccine, which is more of a mere remedy, when covid is so insignificant to people who are healthy. If you are so unhealthy that you need the vaccine (remedy) then you have bigger concerns.

What is a remedy in this context? Can you put this chicken scratch in real terms or are you simply so far into pseudoscience that you've disregarded language as well?

90% of ICU cases are people that think like you in my county. Almost all new severe cases and deaths are people who believe they are above the risk.

Tell me this, since you are a "healthy" individual do you also forego all cancer screening? Do you simply have such an attunement to your own body that you can feel any rogue cells as they form? Perhaps you rub yourself with quartz because you consider it to be a "good" crystal with healing properties.

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Post by ajross »

outside1234 wrote: post #229
h3cate wrote: post #221

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Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

I don't think that's unpopular. More precisely, once the vaccine is available to all age groups, the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated. And they will have had every opportunity to get vaccinated, so we shouldn't optimize for them.

Alternatively: the unvaccinated are simply mistaken, and represent people's cousins and friends and children and grandparents, and their suffering and death would represent real loss and tragedy even to people who did everything right and got their shots.

The desire to see this pandemic solely in terms of an individual moral play (on all sides of the debate!) is really strong on this website, and I think it's very unhelpful.

We're all in this together. I got my shots. All my family members of age are vaccinated. All our friends and regular acquaintances are vaccinated.

I still wear my mask where I have to be near people in public, because every little bit helps. My risk is not zero, and if I get sick so might someone else who isn't as protected. I still avoid restaurants. I still work at home. I still limit travel.

We can stop this when the pandemic is controlled. Until then, it remains all of our collective responsibility. And I for one am willing to bear that.

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Post by h3cate »

ineedasername wrote: post #293
greyivy wrote: post #239

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Not the immunocompromised or those who are legitimately unable to get vaccinated? Not a very nuanced take.

Then those people should be at least as scared of the unvaccinated as COVID itself. That will be their primary infection vector.

You still spread covid whether you are vaccinated or not

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Post by nikkinana »

rossdavidh wrote: post #36

Good article, but doesn't mention the other reason that covid-19 is never going completely away: animal reservoirs. We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. It is implausible that it will ever cease to have an animal reservoir, especially given the finding in Canada of 30% of white-tailed deer having it. Of dis…

You're full of shit.

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Post by erhk »

guscost wrote: post #297
outside1234 wrote: post #229

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I don't think that's unpopular. More precisely, once the vaccine is available to all age groups, the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated. And they will have had every opportunity to get vaccinated, so we shouldn't optimize for them.

Yep, you're gonna leave us alone from now on. Also I'll decide for myself what to fear, thanks.

Great so did you decide to fear a vaccine or are you happily doing your civic duty for the sake of your countrymen.

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Post by whoooooo123 »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #140
cm2187 wrote: post #30

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No restriction? You will have a nasty surprise if you return from a red list country. Plus mandatory covid tests before and after returning to the UK. Plus mandatory face masks in public transports. Plus mandatory self-quarantine if you are pinged by the NHS app. Many companies have not returned to the office. We are not back to normal.

> Plus mandatory face masks in public transports. Not true. There is no national requirement to wear a mask on public transport. London Underground and the Manchester Metro have used mayoral powers to require mask wearing - with variable compliance. Elsewhere its down to individual choice. > Plus mandatory self-quarantine if you are pinged by the NHS app. Not true. The app gives a recommendation. Only the NHS test an…

> with variable compliance

Anecdotally, it seems to me that around 70-80% of people on the London Underground are still wearing masks. Which is to say that the "mandate" is a joke (like so many of our restrictions have been) and clearly isn't being enforced.

The percentage of people wearing masks on the tube, where masks are "compulsory", doesn't seem much higher than the percentage of people who are voluntarily wearing masks in other public places which have no mandate, so the fact that most people are still wearing masks on the Tube is probably less because of the mandate and more because of people's general sense of precaution/paranoia. I suspect if the mask mandate were lifted then most people would continue to wear masks voluntarily anyway, just as they're still doing at the supermarket.

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Post by tootie »

Miner49er wrote: post #271
gunshai wrote: post #228

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Why is this unpopular.

Maybe because the vaccines are looking like they aren't going to be be as effective as they were originally made out to be, but I still think we need to return to normal at some point.

They are as effective as we thought they were. Delta is just more virulent than previous strains and we're at barely 50% vaccination rate. We're still waiting on safe doses for children and the millions of stubborn people who think public health is a personal decision.

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Post by h3cate »

ethbr0 wrote: post #275
colmvp wrote: post #254

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I'm not scared of Covid-19, I'm mostly concerned that as the numbers continue to rise and the hospitals/ICUs around me get more Covid-19 cases, it'll force the government to have to issue harsher measures to prevent the system from bursting at the seams because hospitals don't have limitless resources. People who don't want strict measures can't hand-wave that potential reality away.

At some point prior to saturation, hospitals and the public deserve to have unvaccinated COVID-19 patients (without a medical reason) turned away. We can do one of two things as communities: (1) Mandate vaccination for everyone, and provide everyone care (2) Allow everyone the freedom to remain unvaccinated, and limit care There's no other "normal" world where a highly communicable disease that causes a sufficient nu…

Do hospitals turn away people with the flu away if they are not vaccinated? Or is it only Covid that you would impose this rule for?
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