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The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

Why is this unpopular.

Maybe because the vaccines are looking like they aren't going to be be as effective as they were originally made out to be, but I still think we need to return to normal at some point.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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post #254
post #221

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Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

I'm not scared of Covid-19, I'm mostly concerned that as the numbers continue to rise and the hospitals/ICUs around me get more Covid-19 cases, it'll force the government to have to issue harsher measures to prevent the system from bursting at the seams because hospitals don't have limitless resources. People who don't want strict measures can't hand-wave that potential reality away.

It was pretty much this for me and at this point more so.

I've received both shots and was pretty low risk to begin with.

However, local hospitals were shipping patients off to other cities, and sending adults to the children's hospital.

I don't think it's a stretch to believe that the outcome of something like being in a car accident would be worse now than normal.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Returning to normal is a terrible idea when COVID patients are overwhelming hospitals across the world. How can things be normal if our healthcare systems are nearing collapse? You might be willing to accept the risk of getting sick on your behalf, but by advocating a return to 'normal' before we have the capabilities to deal with this virus, you are advocating for putting even more stress on healthcare systems acros…

It seems one option is to increase hospital capacity. There should be ways to do this without needing more RNs and MDs.

Spend a bit of time on the /r/nursing subreddit and weep.

ICU nurses have been worked to the bone for 18 months now, and often already at higher patient/nurse ratios that customary.

The coming problem won’t be one one of insufficient beds but insufficient people to care for them.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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No restriction? You will have a nasty surprise if you return from a red list country. Plus mandatory covid tests before and after returning to the UK. Plus mandatory face masks in public transports. Plus mandatory self-quarantine if you are pinged by the NHS app. Many companies have not returned to the office. We are not back to normal.

> Plus mandatory self-quarantine if you are pinged by the NHS app. I think you're poorly informed - it has never been mandatory to self-quarantine if pinged by the app . And government mandated face masks on public transport went away on the 19th of July - but people are still encouraged and I think required by some individual institutions not by Her Majesty's Government. And I don't think jet-setting around is 'dail…

self quarantine through the app couldn't be mandatory seeing as the app isn't mandatory

The only thing OP has a point on is travel abroad, which yeh as you say isn't really daily life for the majority of people and probably isn't too big a pill to swallow temporarily, and continued working from home, which to my knowledge is the choice of companies, not the government (though either way, I'm not complaining)

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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post #254
post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

I'm not scared of Covid-19, I'm mostly concerned that as the numbers continue to rise and the hospitals/ICUs around me get more Covid-19 cases, it'll force the government to have to issue harsher measures to prevent the system from bursting at the seams because hospitals don't have limitless resources. People who don't want strict measures can't hand-wave that potential reality away.

At some point prior to saturation, hospitals and the public deserve to have unvaccinated COVID-19 patients (without a medical reason) turned away.

We can do one of two things as communities:

(1) Mandate vaccination for everyone, and provide everyone care

(2) Allow everyone the freedom to remain unvaccinated, and limit care

There's no other "normal" world where a highly communicable disease that causes a sufficient number of hospital cases exists and circulates in the human population.

* Where normal means "normal freedoms of movement" + "normal social interactions allowed" + "normal economic operation" + "hospitals aren't overwhelmed and have capacity for normal care"

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Good article, but doesn't mention the other reason that covid-19 is never going completely away: animal reservoirs. We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. It is implausible that it will ever cease to have an animal reservoir, especially given the finding in Canada of 30% of white-tailed deer having it. Of dis…

How does covid transmit to wild animals like deer that have almost no interactions with humans ? The transmission chain must be very long. I'd appreciate any links or resources to read more. Perhaps we can learn to be more mindful of our interactions with other animals, wear masks in public spaces or public transport, and hopefully WFH becomes a permanent option. It seems that I stepped on many nerves, please, feel f…

People interact with deer all the time. They are all over neighborhoods in certain areas, people hunt them, they often are hit by vehicles, etc.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

> That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK Because it s not about the pandemic. It s about asserting control over population and making them obey whatever govts, ongs, big pharma or big corps come up with. A kind of a mass scale social engineering project. Edit: this btw doesn t need to be some sort of a secret group proje…

Why is this different from other instances of governments instituting laws or regulations for the sake of public safety, of which there are already many?

Are seatbelt laws a mass experiment in social control?

Are laws mandating wearing underwear in public "about asserting control over population and making them obey"?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Good article, but doesn't mention the other reason that covid-19 is never going completely away: animal reservoirs. We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. It is implausible that it will ever cease to have an animal reservoir, especially given the finding in Canada of 30% of white-tailed deer having it. Of dis…

This is mostly irrelevant from my understanding. Of the few diseases that humanity has eradicated, one is found in wild animals. Animal resevoirs are simply not the problem.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Why is this unpopular.

Because there is a non-insignificant portion of the population that is thriving off corona hysteria.

And a not insignificant proportion of politicians more than happy to take advantage of the fear and expand their power.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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That's a really extraordinary claim with no evidence whatsoever.

How does this not count as evidence?: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/well/live/vaccine-long-co... It literally says: "While most of the breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, seven out of 36 workers tracked at six weeks (19 percent) still had persistent symptoms. These long Covid symptoms included a mix of prolonged loss of smell, persistent cough, fatigue, weakness, labored breathing or muscle pain." It's…

calling that "disabled" is incredibly misleading to the point of being disingenuous.
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