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Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by smsm42 »

xyzzyz wrote: post #307
Renaud wrote: post #288

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>DuckDuckGo’s search results are something between worse to terrible I would like someone to make some objective research on that. My experience is the reverse, so I strongly suspect our reticence is just one of changing our habit more than an real thing. I switched to DDG years ago and it took a few weeks to wean out the tendency to compare searches, usually brought on by the fear of missing out something. I very ra…

There is not much interesting stuff on the internet these days outside closed FB etc, so search is just not as important as it used to be.

You must be kidding. There are worlds of interesting stuff outside FB, in fact if FB ceased to exist this very moment, the amount of interesting stuff around would not diminish by even a thousandth of a percent. If you think interesting stuff is only on FB, maybe this is the time to try and broaden your horizons and actively look outside of it.

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Post by smsm42 »

geocar wrote: post #333
amelius wrote: post #241

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If I were Apple, I would spend at least $1B of that $7B on developing a secret new search engine :)

I think a lot of people overestimate how easy it is to make a search engine, and underestimate how hard it is to sell search to advertisers. I think this is closer to a 50B problem than a 1B problem. Not impossible, but I don’t know anyone who has 50B that they would want to spend fighting uphill to kill google.

If some company can sell something to people, even while perfectly fine analogues exist, and then charge double price and have people scream in delight about it - that's Apple.

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Post by 41209 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #466
41209 wrote: post #448

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I consider myself a hardcore gamer, but I'm still buying an OLED Switch later this year. If anything 'hardcore' gamers are more likely to buy a switch since they'll be deeply invested in certain franchises, vs a causal gamers who would be on IPhone

There's a massive difference between gamers who don't have 200 hours a month to invest in the latest AAA title and people who are just as happy playing Candy Crush. This is the genius of the Switch: it's accessible enough that casual gamers are happy to take a punt, while still having enough content on there to satisfy some of the more hardcore gamers too. But don't mistake it as a device aimed specifically for hardc…

Define hardcore

If I’ve been playing Smash Bros since the 90s and I need to play the latest one , I’m buying a Switch. I consider myself hardcore, I probably play( or make ) games at least 30 hours a week

Of course I have a PC as well. I’m personally looking forward to Metroid and Advance Wars later this year.

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Post by IncRnd »

tomnipotent wrote: post #469
IncRnd wrote: post #431

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Yes, but none of the findings of fact were overturned. The judge had been interviewed, which was the issue, not that the facts were in dispute. In the settlement, Microsoft also allowed PC manufacturers to adopt non-Microsoft software.

> none of the findings of fact were overturned Absolutely they were, that's what it means that most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned, and a new judge was appointed to determine penalties. Jackson wanted to break Microsoft apart and slap them with operating restrictions.

> Absolutely they were, that's what it means that most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned

Where is it said that, "most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned"?

If you are referring to the link I posted, the actual words were, "The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft."

Then, just five sentences later it says, "However, the appeals court did not overturn the findings of fact."

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Post by lots2learn »

Jensson wrote: post #414
lots2learn wrote: post #389

Can someone help me underatand: how is Google/Apple's app store fee different than when a game console company charges game developers a licensing fee to put their game on their console?

Why do people bring that up? Phone market is orders of magnitude bigger, bigger more important markets face more scrutiny.

Ok so no difference yeah?

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Post by chrjxnandns »

Applejinx wrote: post #376
chrjxnandns wrote: post #311

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It’s insane that Google spends more than Bing’s entire yearly revenue in order to buy a default spot and keep their competitors out of it.

Not really. It's a scale issue. Such an expenditure to Google is like a billionaire dropping ten thousand dollars on something, compared to a normal human asked to come up with ten thousand dollars. Buying a default spot is the interesting aspect here. Google spending more than Bing's entire yearly revenue just means they want that thing, and tells you their relative wealth. I figure this applies just as well to corp…

Considering Bing is their closest competitor and G are spending more B can make in revenue to exclude them from a market seems like a text book definition of monopoly abuse.

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Post by echelon »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #461
echelon wrote: post #451

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But I can buy the same game on all three major consoles. Plus PC. Plus Steam, GOG, Humble, Epic (where I can get it free), or even pirate it with little trouble (if I didn't have qualms with the ethics). None of these stores do my email, dating, finance, math, fitness, banking, web. They're not fitting the computer role like laptops and smartphones. Games are toys and have lots of healthy competition. Smartphones are…

>But I can buy the same game on all three major consoles. Plus PC. Plus Steam, GOG, Humble, Epic (where I can get it free), or even pirate it with little trouble (if I didn't have qualms with the ethics). You're still missing the point. There is no way to buy a game for Xbox without going through Microsoft's official channels and giving them their huge cut. There is no way to buy a game for Playstation without going…

You're not getting it either. Consoles are subsidized toys. And there are half a dozen choices on the market, not to mention legacy systems.

Phones are life. You can't do without them. There are two choices, both locked down hard.

PCs went from free and open to Google + Apple duopoly. And the rules are draconian.

Maybe 1995-2005 was an era before your time (given that your username is Zoomer), but modern computing is worse than it used to be. You have no idea what you missed out on, and you're speaking about a status quo that is a definitive downgrade.

Steve Jobs put us in shackles and neck braces. But they're pretty and convenient, so we accept them.

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Post by tomnipotent »

IncRnd wrote: post #474
tomnipotent wrote: post #469

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> none of the findings of fact were overturned Absolutely they were, that's what it means that most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned, and a new judge was appointed to determine penalties. Jackson wanted to break Microsoft apart and slap them with operating restrictions.

> Absolutely they were, that's what it means that most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned Where is it said that, "most of Judge Jackson's ruling was overturned"? If you are referring to the link I posted, the actual words were, "The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft." Then, just five sentences later it says, "However, the appeals court did not overturn the findin…

That's a technical term, because it's incredibly difficult for an Appeals court to overturn findings of fact. It would require finding the Judge clearly erroneous, and they didn't need to go through the hassle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/28/business/us-appeals-court...

"In a 125-page unanimous ruling brimming with palpable derision and frustration, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit nullified all three parts of Judge Jackson's ruling in the case and removed the restrictions he placed on the company's business practices, even as it made reference to many of his conclusions."

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Post by hnlmorg »

41209 wrote: post #473
hnlmorg wrote: post #466

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There's a massive difference between gamers who don't have 200 hours a month to invest in the latest AAA title and people who are just as happy playing Candy Crush. This is the genius of the Switch: it's accessible enough that casual gamers are happy to take a punt, while still having enough content on there to satisfy some of the more hardcore gamers too. But don't mistake it as a device aimed specifically for hardc…

Define hardcore If I’ve been playing Smash Bros since the 90s and I need to play the latest one , I’m buying a Switch. I consider myself hardcore, I probably play( or make ) games at least 30 hours a week Of course I have a PC as well. I’m personally looking forward to Metroid and Advance Wars later this year.

My point wasn't that no hardcore gamers own a Switch. It's that hardcore gamers isn't the Switch's target demographic nor it's biggest audience. But you're looking at things too black and white in thinking that logically means I'm saying it's not something anything hardcore gamers would like; which isn't the case.

Like with any product that sells millions, there will be people that fall outside of the target demographic. That doesn't mean there isn't a target demographic or that the company are targeting the wrong group. It just means that either the person is an edge case or the product is versatile enough to be enjoyed by more than just the target audience. In the Switch's case, it's the latter.

In fact that's the point I've been making all along about the genius of the device. Nintendo have not only built a console that captures the imagination of a largely forgotten market, but they've done so in a way that has appeal beyond that market too.

But to be clear, this wasn't an accident on Nintendo's part. They've always marketed their machines as family systems (ie accessible gaming to be shared). That's why their 3rd generation console was called the Famicom in Japan (short for Family Computer). It's why the NES was styled the way it was (a grey box like a VCR so it looked at home in the families TV cabinet rather than looking like a kids toy). It's why the N64 was the first console to have 4 ports built in (ie without needing additional hardware). Why the Wii went down the gimmicky route when everyone else was making consoles for older kids and adults. And why Nintendo's IP is almost always cute and cartoony.

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Post by fomine3 »

prox wrote: post #339
Foobar8568 wrote: post #320

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Google results aren't much better, I feel that nowadays, if I want to find anything relevant, I need to use site:, and most often than not, it'll be either stackoverflow, reddit and some other french sites. Anything else is either spam/sales or ebay "proxys". It's scary how the web feels much more narrower.

Yeah using reddit for a lot of searches is usually my default now.

Search for reddit/stackexchange/whatever pro forums, but on Google.

BTW I wish any stackexchange sites are under single domain.

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