The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

Post by mavhc » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #41

spookthesunset wrote: post #34

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That doesn’t prove the people doing these voluntary lockdowns had any different of an outcome than if they did nothing at all. Way to many people just blindly assume these interventions worked. The fact is we have zero clue if they did anything or the outcomes experienced by different regions was a result of a bunch of stuff that is completely out of our control. If I was gonna bet, my money would be on the lockdowns…

> If I was gonna bet, my money would be on the lockdowns not doing anything. The virus did what it did no matter how hard humans tried to control it Tell that to New Zealand, who have had less than 3,000 cases in a population of 5 million. They did this with strict border controls (people on inbound flights must isolate for 2 weeks) and quick response to community transmission (several lockdowns totalling 40 days).

Post by mavhc » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:54 PM UTC

richardw wrote: post #43

spookthesunset wrote: post #29

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See but since there was no actual randomized test the fact that Brazil did a no-lockdown strategy (which I guess some say is false)… it could have been just as big of a disaster even with a lockdown. There is basically no real way to prove that lockdowns did a single thing. The fact so many countries were so willing to jump onto a completely unproven non pharmaceutical intervention that has massive negative side effe…

Its proven. It’s physics. I can’t catch covid from you because we’re probably on different continents. Living across the street works as well if I don’t open the door. This has been tested for every transmissible disease every organism has had that we’ve managed to witness. Similarly, fewer interactions result in fewer opportunities for transmission. Reduce transmission and the numbers go down. What’s to prove here?…

Post by TheGigaChad » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:54 PM UTC

Post by TheGigaChad » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

drudoo wrote: post #54

Non-Swede who lived in Sweden basically all of 2020 here. We basically self isolated most of the year and only did grocery shopping with masks and keeping distance but a lot of people really did not care about social distancing or masks. My wife and I were often very uncomfortable being out of the house and really did not like the relaxed guidelines. We commuted a lot to Denmark and the contrast was huge. We felt so…

Post by mavhc » Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

Ntrails wrote: post #45

TheCowboy wrote: post #32

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Except that being wrong about how bad a virus is can be catastrophic, especially when nearly every nation was woefully underprepared. You can easily do math to demonstrate how small changes in the variables of a virus can lead to more dire outcomes. What if China had taken the most conservative policy in response to the appearance of covid-19? Maybe we would have been spared the turmoil and disruption of this pandemi…

The job of Governing is not solely to minimise loss of life, or to utterly avoid tail risks irrespective of cost. (imo) Focussing so myopically on the above has had unmeasurable consequences on a huge variety of fronts. My prime fury is reserved for closing schools. Extraordinary damage done, gulfs in opportunity and experience widened. Nobody cares much. Death stats are, after all, the only thing that matters to the…