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Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Does it matter? I’m saying that the software they’re providing me for my Model 3 and the hardware they’re offering for purchase have stalled out. There hasn’t been a significant change to either in the last year. All the software updates have been minor tweaks. The new car models keep getting pushed back. Meanwhile the hype continues to accelerate. Given that their delivered progress is ~0, and the hype clearly >0, t…

The progress for your situation might be zero. But every day, there’s new Teslas being shipped and people finding more value in it than competing EVs. That is “pulling ahead”.

What is your source? I see lots of anecdotes about Tesla service problems which doesn't seem like more value. I believe Tesla in general has a fairly dismal quality rating, but IIRC they don't allow participation in stuff like JD Power surveys.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to…

I agree with your last point. I don’t own a truck because I can rent an 8 foot bed truck at uhaul for But range “anxiety” (concern?) has stopped me from buying an electric car so far (though the next one will be). Your first example doesn’t account for variance, charging where you wind up, and fluctuations in demand. Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Sat…

> Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Saturday.

In my experience, I've only had to wait to charge once. There are generally more than enough chargers for weekends. It's holidays you have to watch out for.

> Now I arrive at the beach house and I either can only slow charge or need to find a charger.

24 hours of charging will fill up most EV to 100%. Most EV owners would say "Yeah, slow charge at the beach house, why look for a fast charger?". You probably aren't doing anything at night and even if that's the only time you slow charge, 16 hours would give you a pretty decent chunk of range.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to…

Range gives you options. My gas cars all have 400+ mile ranges. I've been in several places in the last 3 years with 130+ miles between (gas) services. That's scary even when the range estimator is saying "you're cool".

I just drove from STL -> Chicago -> Yellowstone -> Seattle. Range helps a lot since we multiple time deviated from the plan (Rushmore to devils tower). We would have had to be very specific with a lower range electric. Also our options for lodging would have been much more greatly restricted and we would issues have missed several cool small towns. And we'd have had to, while exhausted, charge the car at the end of a long day.

To get real detailed: Looking at their trip planner, and ignoring you can't charge up in most of yellowstone, CHI -> Rushmore -> Devils Tower -> Lusk -> Canyon Village is 390 minutes / 6.5 hours charging. Due to the limited number of stops in the trip planner, the remainder of the trip (which assumes a full charge at the start) would be another 110 minutes, (~2 hours) of charging. For a grand total of probably 9 hours of charging, or a full day of driving over that trip. I filled up 8 times on the trip, call it 10 minutes each, so 80 minutes. So call it 7 hours (420 minutes). That's 560 miles of drive time spent charging, which is basically a full day over that trip.

I did see several teslas in the park, but I'm guessing they were coming in and out from Jackson / Gardier / West. We did 250 miles a day in the park easy and we stayed in the park. Also exhausted at the end of each day.

Note I'm not a charging expert nor hyper optimizer so you may be able to do better but I had trouble just booking the hotels for this trip due to covid's impacts on everything.

My buddy drives for work as an engineering sales person. They go to factories from North Cali to Vancouver BC, and out to MT. Drives from Portland, OR to the UP, Michigan for fun 4 times a year. Those trips would be a PITA with a standard low range EV.

A year ago I went from Tuscon -> Ozarks, MO -> STL -> Chicago. IIRC the Tesla trip planner had us doing 7+ hours at the charger. We did the trip in 2 days in a gas car and went all over the place.

In 2019 we went from Cairns to Brisbane over 13 days, which is about 1100 miles, even less options.

In 2018 we did Sea -> Crater Lake -> Crescent City -> Tahoe -> Yosemite -> CV -> LA -> and then the 1 on the coast up back up to Seattle. 3800 massive miles, 82 hours driving. I can't even imagine what planning that trip with a low range EV would look like.

Sure I don't do it all the time but I'm averaging one large (2500mi+) road trip every year or so.

And this doesn't even consider things like ski trips where you're blowing a whole day if you can't get a charge/refill on time. There are a lot of EVs in the Seattle area, that means a lot of people using the chargers in remote areas and you're already exhausted and dealing with tired kids.

I'm personally waiting on a suv-ish ev with >500 mile range. And even then my cars are all in great shape, so it'll be a while before I buy one.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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I’m surprised by the number of model Ys I see. I think it’s Tesla’s least flattering vehicle and the price when optioned is comparable to the model S. Maybe, it’s the fact that it’s a crossover, but the model X in comparison is a ghost. Any ideas on why people seem to love the Y more than the other Tesla models?

The price of the X over Y is pretty hefty and, frankly, the interior is outdated and due for a refresh. I'd not buy a model X at this point for those 2 reasons.

I'll bet the X gets a refresh around the same time cybertruck is released. If I were to guess, I'd guess that X will go to the same platform as cybertruck (right now its built on the Model S platform).

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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The thing is with EVs, you don't need a range the same as ICE. I'm not sure if you've ever owned an EV, but the vast majority of trips are done relatively locally and with a home charger, you're pretty much always "full" after you plug in overnight. The nicest thing is that I never have to worry about going to a gas station. For longer trips the range sort-of matters, but at least with Tesla, the Supercharger density…

> I happen to enjoy the regular 15-20 minute stops It's alright when you can guarentee your stop is 15-20 minutes. But it will probably look a lot different when there are 2x, 3x, 10x more EVs on the road. Imagine being in line when everyone has to charge for 15 minutes? https://thedriven.io/2021/06/30/tesla-owners-line-up-at-supe... It will be interesting if charging stations can keep pace with EV adoption.

You need less chargers than gas stations and they are somewhat cheaper to deploy and maintain. Tesla has been doing a good job keeping up with demand building out new charge stations.

All you need for a charger is enough power. Fortunately, high power power lines tend to follow the same routes as highways and interstates.

The supercharger network is something tesla does a lot better than the competition.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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Accouncement based company.

If you read the article you'll see that Tesla didn't announce anything. The writer of the article found some plain docs Tesla filed with Chinese authorities and decided to editorialise and call it "super long range".

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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> But as the owner of a Model 3, with a deposit in for a Cybertruck, all I’ve seen materialize in the last year are “cold weather improvements”. So, you missed the Model S Plaid release?

I saw the release announcement. And also all the posts from people whose plaid orders have been pushed back repeatedly.

It's ramping up and in high demand, but you will find reviews from buyers all over Youtube.

Re: Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y

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> I happen to enjoy the regular 15-20 minute stops It's alright when you can guarentee your stop is 15-20 minutes. But it will probably look a lot different when there are 2x, 3x, 10x more EVs on the road. Imagine being in line when everyone has to charge for 15 minutes? https://thedriven.io/2021/06/30/tesla-owners-line-up-at-supe... It will be interesting if charging stations can keep pace with EV adoption.

I believe that the electric companies and charging networks won’t let a good market go unaddressed.

Based on that reasoning, though, I would expect them to build capacity around the typical usage, and not peak demand.
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