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Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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anaganisk wrote: post #269
Shubham28 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Googlers can't reply to posts like this, irrespective of where they stand on the issue, because this is an ongoing legal matter. Disclaimer - I am a Googler. P.S. Rather than passing snark comments about what others do, maybe try talking to any of them. Any employee of a significantly sized company could have guessed that.

so you as humans are controlled from voicing your opinion by your corporate? So your moral compass depends on your employer? Edit: I did not mean to dictate what anyone must do, but as a person you are entitled to have an opinion, to stand up. If you are going to base your moral compass based on what others decide. May be one day, you wont even bother having it. Im not hatching a big conspiracy here, but we must alwa…

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Post by anaganisk »

tssva wrote: post #268
anaganisk wrote: post #263

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When you look it narrow, you will mot see it. But as you start to see the big picture, you start to see the similarities with our past mistakes. Companies that are so afraid of loosing their power over their consumers, will do anything and everything to keep it. If android and apple had an Open Store API, and their respective stores had the power, no problem. But closing their store apis for themself, payments to the…

I dispute your claim that I don't see the big picture and even if I accepted it you have provided absolutely no justification why the specific action is an issue in the big picture, It is just a bunch of non-specific anti-Google rambling. I give it as much credit as I do anti-vax and anti-mask ranting I see here.

Okay lets talk big picture the way I see it. Two companies that run Majority of the phones worldwide, wants to stiffle competition. There is an App which I want to use on iOS but since it doesn’t follow iOS design guidelines its not allowed on appstore, the dev submitted and appealed several times. To be fair he cannot adhere to design guidelin because its a garmin glass cockilpit addon for flight simulator which is not an IOS design. Despite several appeals, he cant get thru the support. Sure big names get credit for supporting the BIG2, but what about the developers like this case?

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by anaganisk »

Phrodo_00 wrote: post #264
anaganisk wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you look it narrow, you will mot see it. But as you start to see the big picture, you start to see the similarities with our past mistakes. Companies that are so afraid of loosing their power over their consumers, will do anything and everything to keep it. If android and apple had an Open Store API, and their respective stores had the power, no problem. But closing their store apis for themself, payments to the…

I generally agree, but this is a very weird phrase considering history: > Do you think we would’ve had chrome and firefox, if IE used obscure APIs IE did use obscure, non standard APIs. It took web developers to get tired of MS' shit and starting to code to the standards to dethrone IE from its monopoly. This also kind of implies that IE was there before Netscape which is not true.

Actually I was intending to make the same connection, I apologise I wasn’t clearer.

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Post by tomnipotent »

TheRealNGenius wrote: post #267
echelon wrote: post #257

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It's time to split the Famgopolies. Apple and Google shouldn't be in so many different businesses, killing everything in their wake. Why the hell does Apple have a film studio? Why does Google have a game studio and cloud? If they keep going, they'll be the MGM and Whole Foods too. (Oh, wait!) Famgopolies also shouldn't be allowed to dictate their payments stacks, software distribution systems, app approval processes…

You don't get it, what you describe is not necessarily a monopoly.

> monopoly

Most anti-trust actions have nothing to do with monopolies.

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Post by hyperpallium2 »

dalbasal wrote: post #133
jakecopp wrote: post #9

> After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company." ... > This unredacted graf shows that telcos get up to 25% of Google's app sales to keep them from developing rival app stores on the smartphones they sell and service. Insane reading.

>> 25% of Google's app sales to keep them from developing rival app stores Google also pays Apple 7 billion annually^ to be its default SE. Despite Adwords' incredible profitability, Yahoo & MSFT's experience as 2nd place in that market was working very hard and earning $0 profits... Their Revenues @ were far lower than proportional to their market share, and costs are the opposite. Better to just take your share of…

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

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Post by agumonkey »

mard wrote: post #18

In 2001, Microsoft "constituted unlawful monopolization" under Antitrust Act for bundling a web browser with their operating system. 20 years later, Apple and Google bundle not only their browsers, but whole irreplaceable app stores with no legal consequences. I don't know how the law sees it, but it's simply illogical from the common sense standpoint.

It's a lot more damning than the MS case because internet impact and integration in ones life was minimal. Today society is hybrid and appstore/googleplay are the digital interface to a boatload of public and private services.

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Post by tomnipotent »

IncRnd wrote: post #228
jimbob45 wrote: post #156

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That’s it, right? That’s the game? There’s no way the DoJ doesn’t have a slam-dunk case with that one quote.

Possibly, but when Janet Reno "had the goods" on Microsoft, she suddenly settled. Mind you, that was a lengthy case with the explicit purpose of splitting up Microsoft. Then, when it was all but cinched, she suddenly reversed and settled for just about ... no concessions. All Microsoft had to do was share APIs. Even the judge in the case said that Microsoft executives had "proved, time and time again, to be inaccurat…

> Even the judge

This was Judge Jackson, who had his decision overturned by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Also "the appeals court judges accused him of unethical conduct." A lot of grandiose things were said by people during these trials, many looking to enrich their careers.

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Post by Renaud »

solarkraft wrote: post #223
bushbaba wrote: post #184

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It’s likely the payoff is also to prevent apple from building its own search engine to compete. As googles payoff is so lucrative

There have been reports and speculation that they’re doing just that. Of course it’s worth it for the negotiation threat alone, but Apple also really doesn’t seem to like depending on Google. I personally can’t see them switching any time soon, as DuckDuckGo’s search results are something between worse to terrible and I’m not sure they can do much better without collecting more data.

>DuckDuckGo’s search results are something between worse to terrible

I would like someone to make some objective research on that.

My experience is the reverse, so I strongly suspect our reticence is just one of changing our habit more than an real thing.

I switched to DDG years ago and it took a few weeks to wean out the tendency to compare searches, usually brought on by the fear of missing out something.

I very rarely have to resort to a !g search and usually if I can't find it on DDG, I won't easily find it on google either.

I don't feel like missing out on anything and I always find what I need (and if I don't, I can't find it in other searches either).

Other platforms have some strength in some area, like Bing and Google have more tools for image searches, and it's possible that one of these is better than the others at some specific domain, like research papers or patent searches.

But after switching to DDG, all these options are still available and -at least in my case- 99%+ of my needs are met with it.

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Post by agumonkey »

defaulty wrote: post #180
beckman466 wrote: post #3

> Larry Page told Steve Jobs in 2010 that "There will always be places we compete, and places where we cooperate." > After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company." > That is a damning little piece of evidence. Looks like it’s exactly the meritocracies Google and Apple claim to be, nothing monopoly-like to be…

In business school lingo, this is called 'coopetition' which is just a portmanteau of the two positions: cooperation & competition.

first time I read this but I'm not even surprised the term exists .. it's probably a natural and very old phenomenon right ?

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Post by adtac »

anaganisk wrote: post #269
Shubham28 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Googlers can't reply to posts like this, irrespective of where they stand on the issue, because this is an ongoing legal matter. Disclaimer - I am a Googler. P.S. Rather than passing snark comments about what others do, maybe try talking to any of them. Any employee of a significantly sized company could have guessed that.

so you as humans are controlled from voicing your opinion by your corporate? So your moral compass depends on your employer? Edit: I did not mean to dictate what anyone must do, but as a person you are entitled to have an opinion, to stand up. If you are going to base your moral compass based on what others decide. May be one day, you wont even bother having it. Im not hatching a big conspiracy here, but we must alwa…

no, all he said is you can't comment on ongoing legal matters. I have no idea how you went from that to "humans are controlled from voicing your opinion by your corporate".

this is pretty standard. even in personal matters your lawyer will probably ask you to shut up.

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