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Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by lamontcg »

Rezwoodly wrote: post #28
meheleventyone wrote: post #11

Tangentially related but I’m on day 9 of COVID infection which is easily the longest I’ve been sick in years. I got two shots of Pfizer last one on the 13th of July. If the vaccine has kept this relatively mild then I’m very glad. It sucks. My main symptoms are a stuffed up face, cough, sore throat, aching body and an extremely fuzzy head that seems to come and go. I had a slightly raised temp at the start but otherw…

Uh, you did get vaccinated and still have these symptoms. You could also fairly end your TLDR with 'did get vaccinated, this sucks'. It seems we are still learning about the efficacy of the vaccines, and the nature of the virus. From this pov I understand why some are hesitant to be vaccinated in this phase of the pandemic

Virus kicks his ass even though he's vaccinated, and you're drawing the conclusion that the vaccines can't be trusted, rather than unvaccinated exposure to the virus will be 10 times worse... You may not be good at logic.

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Post by TMWNN »

thysultan wrote: post #32
gmuslera wrote: post #15

What about a third dose of a different vaccine? all the available ones targets the same and only protein?

We're already doing this with recent booster shots. So i think it's perfectly reasonable to also giga-vax.

>So i think it's perfectly reasonable to also giga-vax.

As always, 4chan has already done the work. (https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg>)

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by lamontcg »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #41
meheleventyone wrote: post #11

Tangentially related but I’m on day 9 of COVID infection which is easily the longest I’ve been sick in years. I got two shots of Pfizer last one on the 13th of July. If the vaccine has kept this relatively mild then I’m very glad. It sucks. My main symptoms are a stuffed up face, cough, sore throat, aching body and an extremely fuzzy head that seems to come and go. I had a slightly raised temp at the start but otherw…

I am so sorry for your terrible sickness! It's probably impossible to say whether "the vaccine has kept this relatively mild", especially since you got it despite being vaccinated twice. At least earlier strains showed no or very mild symptoms in 80% of the infected, and yours doesn't sound very mild. Maybe you'd be dead if not for the vaccine? or perhaps the vaccine allowed your body to contain it to just your nose,…

> yours doesn't sound very mild.

Yes his symptoms sound mild.

There's a good chance that whatever you think of as severe cold/flu is all clinically mild (unless you've actually had complications and wound up in the hospital).

Actual unvaccinated severe COVID-19 is an order of magnitude worse than what you can imagine as severe.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by lamontcg »

There's another answer here though which is to skip getting naturally infected with the worst variant of this strain of SARS-CoV-2 and instead catching whatever is going around the world in a year or two after it has been forced to make costly mutations to achieve immune escape.

SARS-CoV-2 will very likely become endemic and everyone in the world will eventually get naturally exposed to it, but delta is probably the optimally worst and most virulent form of the virus to get naturally exposed to.

And yeah kids should get vaccinated, the vaccines are safer than the virus for everyone, that shouldn't even be a question.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by dragonwriter »

lamontcg wrote: post #124

There's another answer here though which is to skip getting naturally infected with the worst variant of this strain of SARS-CoV-2 and instead catching whatever is going around the world in a year or two after it has been forced to make costly mutations to achieve immune escape. SARS-CoV-2 will very likely become endemic and everyone in the world will eventually get naturally exposed to it, but delta is probably the…

> SARS-CoV-2 will very likely become endemic and everyone in the world will eventually get naturally exposed to it, but delta is probably the optimally worst and most virulent form of the virus to get naturally exposed to.

Is it? I thought early signs were that Lambda is worse.

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Post by peteradio »

rvp-x wrote: post #79
Rezwoodly wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, you did get vaccinated and still have these symptoms. You could also fairly end your TLDR with 'did get vaccinated, this sucks'. It seems we are still learning about the efficacy of the vaccines, and the nature of the virus. From this pov I understand why some are hesitant to be vaccinated in this phase of the pandemic

We have mountains of data about the current vaccine. This amount of disease-tracking is unheard of. Almost any institution in the world has regular discussions about this singular disease. Governments spend huge resources to pinpoint the exact minimum measures that can control the spread enough. My country attempted a 3rd dose, and within 2 weeks they were already reporting data on reduced risk of catching the virus…

Links to studies?

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by lamontcg »

dragonwriter wrote: post #125
lamontcg wrote: post #124

There's another answer here though which is to skip getting naturally infected with the worst variant of this strain of SARS-CoV-2 and instead catching whatever is going around the world in a year or two after it has been forced to make costly mutations to achieve immune escape. SARS-CoV-2 will very likely become endemic and everyone in the world will eventually get naturally exposed to it, but delta is probably the…

> SARS-CoV-2 will very likely become endemic and everyone in the world will eventually get naturally exposed to it, but delta is probably the optimally worst and most virulent form of the virus to get naturally exposed to. Is it? I thought early signs were that Lambda is worse.

Lambda is still a VOI not a VOC even after months of monitoring. There might still be other variants after delta but at some point it cannot become infinitely transmissible and virulent. It also won't be able to become more transmissible and virulent while also achieving complete immune escape (complete escape likely isn't even possible from T-cells). Similar to the 1918 pandemic the worst case virus is likely to be at the tail end of the first round of the pandemic, the endemic virus will be less virulent.

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Post by peteradio »

igetspam wrote: post #108
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But there is just a lot we don’t know." Well... as a citizen, I should have the right to stay back and watch what happens, and take it when I feel safe, instead of being forced to join the experiment.

Just as long as you stay away from the rest of us, I agree. In fact, I'd pitch in to a fund aimed at shipping you all to desert island together and letting you return when you decide to like the science.

I'm naturally immune asshole. Science tells me I should avoid a treatment which is more likely to cause no benefit to anyone.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by dragonwriter »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #64
gunapologist99 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “It is generally the case that we have to make public health decisions based on imperfect data,” Why can't the public draw their own conclusions and make their own health decisions, based on (imperfect) public data? Why does the data have to be kept secret? (Perhaps the data doesn't support the "public health decisions" and dictates of the state?) If there's a concern that we can't effectively interpret the data, w…

What is the greater evil here? The slight odds of infection when they are likely outdoors, or that they are running track, passing out, getting dehydrated, breathing high levels of CO2, and the unknown long-term health effects of that ? It doesn't take much common sense to realize that exposure to virus is bad, masking while running is potentially much worse for everyone and not just the odd infection, and that it sh…

> The slight odds of infection when they are likely outdoors, or that they are running track, passing out, getting dehydrated, breathing high levels of CO2, and the unknown long-term health effects of that?

Unless you are wearing something like an SCBA mask without an appropriate air supply—which is very much not the masking recommended against COVID—that’s not going to happen, even while exercising strenuously.

> It doesn't take much common sense to realize that exposure to virus is bad, masking while running is potentially much worse for everyone

You are correct, having that “realization” definitely requires very little common sense.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by peteradio »

lamontcg wrote: post #123
gunapologist99 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am so sorry for your terrible sickness! It's probably impossible to say whether "the vaccine has kept this relatively mild", especially since you got it despite being vaccinated twice. At least earlier strains showed no or very mild symptoms in 80% of the infected, and yours doesn't sound very mild. Maybe you'd be dead if not for the vaccine? or perhaps the vaccine allowed your body to contain it to just your nose,…

> yours doesn't sound very mild. Yes his symptoms sound mild. There's a good chance that whatever you think of as severe cold/flu is all clinically mild (unless you've actually had complications and wound up in the hospital). Actual unvaccinated severe COVID-19 is an order of magnitude worse than what you can imagine as severe.

Very important point. Struggling to take painful breath for days on end is the gist of "severe covid". I'd rather break my arms than experience severe covid.
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