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Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by meheleventyone »

andrew_ wrote: post #38
mrgordon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the point. The virus is usually much worse without the vaccine.

Please provide data for that claim.

From our chief epidemiologist over here in Iceland:

“ Þórólfur wrote in his response to RÚV yesterday that the figures change quickly and that now the non-vaccinated infection rate is twice as high rather than three-times, the hospital admission rate is five-times higher, and the rate of admission to intensive care is also five-times higher than for vaccinated people.” https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/19/unvaccinated-five-times-...

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by gunapologist99 »

walterbell wrote: post #39
Rezwoodly wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, you did get vaccinated and still have these symptoms. You could also fairly end your TLDR with 'did get vaccinated, this sucks'. It seems we are still learning about the efficacy of the vaccines, and the nature of the virus. From this pov I understand why some are hesitant to be vaccinated in this phase of the pandemic

From Bloomberg today, https://archive.is/fy4Wf > In lieu of answers, what has emerged is a host of case studies providing somewhat different pictures of breakthrough infections. Variables including when the surveys were conducted, whether the delta variant was present, how much of the population was vaccinated and even what the weather was like at the time make it hard to compare results and suss out patterns. It’s d…

> “It is generally the case that we have to make public health decisions based on imperfect data,”

Why can't the public draw their own conclusions and make their own health decisions, based on (imperfect) public data? Why does the data have to be kept secret? (Perhaps the data doesn't support the "public health decisions" and dictates of the state?)

If there's a concern that we can't effectively interpret the data, why can't we listen to whatever quack that we prefer and trust on national television that tells us that we really should not wear masks and couldn't wear them effectively, and they'd make us super sick because we'd be stupid about it and are completely untrainable (oh, and they're needed for health workers) -- no, wait, we should all wear masks, even if they're just thin pieces of cotton -- no, wait, even kids should wear at least two masks, even if they're running track and passing out.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by pluc »

thysultan wrote: post #26

>Getting a booster shot every few months for the next 10 years is always going to be the best option — Every Vaccine CEO \s

There's a legit conspiracy with this very narrative. We have a handful of companies who have just been showered in public funds in the hopes that they produce something to make themselves irrelevant. It's not hard to believe that they'll lobby for the boosters regardless of the data.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by bluGill »

walterbell wrote: post #22
XorNot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is irrelevant: the booster vaccines are to provide sustained protection against the variants we have now and reduce the risk of serious complications. There is no situation in which it is a good idea to be infected with a virus rather then vaccinated against it, and comments on provided immunity from infection are irrelevant: you either become immune to what infected you or it kills you.

Current Covid vaccines are non-sterilizing. They reduce symptoms, but cannot guarantee that you will not be infected. This is covered in the article in the discussion of antibodies in the upper respiratory system (obtained from natural infection) vs antibodies in the blood (obtained from vaccination or natural infection). Future nasal vaccines, delivered by inhaler, could potentially provide sterilizing immunity, pre…

The vaccines reduce infection chances greatly, and even if you get it they reduce the time you have it and thus how much time you can spread.

Non sterilizating is technically true, but misleading. We are still better off with vaccines and can probable eliminate covid with high enough vaccine rates.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by reacharavindh »

cactus2093 wrote: post #29
ekianjo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we should be vaccinating people to discourage spread Vaccinations with current vaccines don't stop infections/spread at all - it's very obvious now with the Delta variant in countries that are already massively vaccinated like Israel and Island. In fact, vaccinated people can apparently carry just as high of a viral load as unvaccinated people (while vaccinated people will likely experience less symptoms). So the v…

Reported your comment for misinformation, this is untrue.

You may want to research up a bit. What that comment says is actually unfortunately true.

The viral load on nasal area is practically similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The vaccines only help with preventing the virus from attacking the lungs and further as hard.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by gambiting »

grandpoobah wrote: post #37
cactus2093 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported your comment for misinformation, this is untrue.

Perhaps you could specify which parts are not true, and provide a retort? What OP said seems to be consistent with what we're seeing, but I am by no means an expert on the subject, so I'd like to hear your counterpoints.

>>So the virus will happily keep infecting as many people as it can regardless of the vaccines.

This part very specifically and provably isn't true. Vaccines reduce the actual transmission rate by about 90%. What you said about vaccinated people who have managed to get infected still carrying the same viral load is actually true - but your comment makes it sound as if the virus will keep spreading at the same pace regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not - which is simply not true.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

walterbell wrote: post #39
Rezwoodly wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, you did get vaccinated and still have these symptoms. You could also fairly end your TLDR with 'did get vaccinated, this sucks'. It seems we are still learning about the efficacy of the vaccines, and the nature of the virus. From this pov I understand why some are hesitant to be vaccinated in this phase of the pandemic

From Bloomberg today, https://archive.is/fy4Wf > In lieu of answers, what has emerged is a host of case studies providing somewhat different pictures of breakthrough infections. Variables including when the surveys were conducted, whether the delta variant was present, how much of the population was vaccinated and even what the weather was like at the time make it hard to compare results and suss out patterns. It’s d…

"But there is just a lot we don’t know."

Well... as a citizen, I should have the right to stay back and watch what happens, and take it when I feel safe, instead of being forced to join the experiment.

Re: Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

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Post by [deleted] »

cactus2093 wrote: post #29
ekianjo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we should be vaccinating people to discourage spread Vaccinations with current vaccines don't stop infections/spread at all - it's very obvious now with the Delta variant in countries that are already massively vaccinated like Israel and Island. In fact, vaccinated people can apparently carry just as high of a viral load as unvaccinated people (while vaccinated people will likely experience less symptoms). So the v…

Reported your comment for misinformation, this is untrue.

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