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Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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I'm not sure it is. When people hear "PornHub is disseminating / profiting off revenge porn", does anyone think "shame on their payment processors"? I think the outrage is directed at the operators of the websites themselves.

People with only outrage won't think about their payment processors. Those with outrage who think through their options to enact change will think of their payment processors, and direct group pressure on them.

Has anybody in history ever said "I'm cutting up my MasterCard because this porn site takes it!"

Organizing a boycott like that seems almost impossible. There just isn't enough realistic competition and going back to paper checks is just not happening, especially online.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #57

There was also a recent BBC investigation into OnlyFans that found they constantly bent their rules for popular content makers and had a real problem with sub-18 people on the platform. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58255865

If there really are minors on there, I'm glad they're being forced to clean up their act. Downvote me all you want for feeling that way.

How old does a person have to be to start deserving blame for their choices of sexual activity? Can you come off anonymous and let me know?

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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> prostitution I argue: prostitution is illegal but not reprehensible.

It’s not even illegal in large parts of the world. I can understand wanting to fight revenge porn, child porn, human traficing and exploitation, but we’re also making it unreasonable for prostitutes, porn stars and cam girls to do their job. And I kinda doubt that these rules makes much difference to the unlawful actors in those businesses.

Why don't people understand that these aren't jobs any sane government wants to sanction? Those which do in large parts of the world, do so because enforcing its illegality is extremely costly and difficult. Western governments can do this and so they largely do.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

Prostitution leads to higher rates of STDs. Even with STD testing, you cannot wait between each client, get a test, wait for the results to get back, and then get a new client. That would take days and you'd make no money.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Feels like switching to crypto payments would be far more likely to keep the site alive than whatever it is they are planning on doing.

Isn't it pretty difficult to have recurring payments with crypto, without some payment processor in the middle?

Plus the technical difficulties with crypto in general. There is a higher bar for getting someone to set up a crypto account than it is to take a credit card number. A lot of people would just go "screw this, I can find porn on the Internet without this nonsense".

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #254

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Human psychology

It's natural to not want your 18 year old daughter posting butthole pics on the internet. She could very well come to regret doing that later in life.

Then you should educate your daughter. At 18 years old is a bit late. And last but not least at 18 years old is her life (age of maturity/consent) in a lot of (european) countries.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

"I've never heard a good argument against injecting heroin. The arguments that I hear are against overdose, shared needles leading to infectious disease, and destitution and poverty; which are all non-sequiturs." You've completely removed all the main "negatives" of prostitution, saying those aren't "real arguments." While it's possible that heroin injection and prostitution may be done in a safe and clean way, the r…

I've heard plenty of good arguments against using heroin. It's extremely (and immediately) addictive. Recovering from that addiction is nearly impossible for most people.

Even if a person safely uses it, and can safely and legally maintain their addiction, heroin is inherently harmful to that person.

Is sex work (prostitution) inherently harmful? I don't think so. Sure, there are plenty of closely related things that are inherently harmful, but sex work can be done without them.

There is the idea that because heroin use often involves second-order effects like shared needles, overdose, etc. that it should be prevented. The reality is that most efforts to prevent heroin use tend to make these second-order effects more prevalent.

Recently there has been a movement to decriminalize drug use, including heroin. The idea is to replace measures that work to prevent heroin use with measures that work to help people overcome heroin addiction, and safely use heroin in the mean time. This way, we fight the second-order effects directly, which is much more effective.

It's a similar story with sex work. Many efforts to decriminalize sex work still have the end goal of getting people to stop engaging in it. This is in contrast to legalization, which would promote sex work while working to minimize the second-order problems that are common to black market sex work.

This is the crux of GP's question: Is there any good reason outside second-order effects to get people to stop doing sex work? I personally am convinced there are none, though my conservative Christian parents disagree.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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> OnlyFans and other sites very in violation of these rules for very long time. I think the big problem is actually with fairly recent changes in how the rules are applied (and maybe to the rules themselves, not just application) to intermediate distributors between the producer and the consumer which has caused existing sites to have compliance issues.

OnlyFans is still a pornsite and should comply. Pornhub has the same producer/subscribers model and is doing fine.

> Pornhub has the same producer/subscribers model and is doing fine.

Pornhub is, from what I understand, very much not doing fine. For reasons directly related to the same kind of verification issues.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #83

So in Brazil the government blocked WhatsApp payments until they launched the central bank's own easy payment method called PIX PIX is so good because there is no middle men, no transaction cost(for now), just an easy money transfer Solutions like PIX would remove completely the pressure that credit card providers have on companies and individuals, especially when it comes to sex work

Will it ? My question is is PIX our money or the banks ? The point Of credit cards, aside from the ability to use money not immediately on hand, is the ability to shift the liability off of oneself and onto another who has interest in getting their money back. If fraud occurs , the bank more incentivized to get their money back and the debtors money is protected.

PIX is only for one-off payments, it is essentially a bank transfer, you can't setup recurring payments. So that should lower user fraud and subsequent chargebacks (because the client can't)

On the other hand, because of fraud (social engineering), the central bank is looking to allow for cancelling payments, but afaik there is still nothing planned

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #29

Seen this thread going around, but it seems like it skips over the important bit. > So why the rule changes? Because last December the New York Times published an opinion piece by Nick Kristof caller “The Children of Pornhub” that accused the site and its parent company of profiting off revenge porn, child porn and sex trafficking. How do you get from 'opinion piece in a newspaper' to 'gigantic transnational financia…

> In my experience, huge companies do not make changes like this purely on the basis of newspaper columns. You'd think, but no. In my experience working at a large tech company, executives cared a lot about what the New York Times in particular thought. A piece published by them would have immediate attention from those executives, and it'd be our problem to respond, even if the original article wasn't well founded.…

I intended to post this, but this is well said.

Such an article is forwarded to “leadership” and “the board”. Boards in particular, who hire and fire the leadership, prefer collecting advisory cheques without getting any side looks at the country club.

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