Why isn’t it viable to just accept Visa, if only MasterCard has new rules? Does not seem to justify scrapping the entire business.
Probably because visa will be enforcing similar to rules soon too.
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#32MasterCard doesn’t want to process payments for child pornography which only fans hosts. The argument for payment processors having too much power was had over a decade ago when they everybody stopped allowing donations to Wikileaks. No, they shouldn’t have that power, it should be the courts who shut down only fans by jailing the people who work there. But I’m also not going to shed any tears over some people who wi…
By the same token we should shut down the internet, the USD and also credit cards because CP use them. CP also breath air, time to make it illegal? There is no point foregoing privacy if authorities don't even try to precisely target bad actors but decide to nuke the whole area with a 100 Megaton Tsar Atomic Bomb instead
Philosophers and legal theorists over the centuries have have come up with the concept of "proximate cause" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_cause) for these types of discussions.
Essentially, there was recognition that ALL kinds of things could be seen as connected to a bad thing. But for the miners, we would not have extracted the iron ore that was used to make the steel that was used to make the firearm that was used to shoot the victim, etc. So "proximate cause" is a discussion of whether or not the degree of connection is close enough to make the blame ridiculous or not.
Not really taking a side in this debate here. Simply pointing out that just coming up with a slew of "but for" causes is not a libertarian trump card for everything. Societies and systems can rightfully draw the line somewhere more reasonable.
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#33Aren't the payment processors not abusing their dominant position, like what happened a decade ago with Wikileaks? At least at that time they had the excuse they were pressured by the US government. What's motivating them this time? Do we need some sort of liability safe-harbor for payment processors?
Regardless of any legal safeguard you might legislate into place, it's radioactive PR to be associated in any way with sex trafficking and child porn.
I'm not sure it is. When people hear "PornHub is disseminating / profiting off revenge porn", does anyone think "shame on their payment processors"? I think the outrage is directed at the operators of the websites themselves.
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#34The world really needs an alternative to these tweet serials. They're extremely annoying to read.
Blogs exist, but due to network effect any given blog post is less likely to be auto-surfaced by an algorithm into people's field of vision than a stream of dozens of individual Twitter posts.
Just more evidence that effective != better
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regardless of any legal safeguard you might legislate into place, it's radioactive PR to be associated in any way with sex trafficking and child porn.
I'm not sure it is. When people hear "PornHub is disseminating / profiting off revenge porn", does anyone think "shame on their payment processors"? I think the outrage is directed at the operators of the websites themselves.
People with only outrage won't think about their payment processors. Those with outrage who think through their options to enact change will think of their payment processors, and direct group pressure on them.
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#36The concern that various kinds of legal sex work might be a de-facto haven for human trafficking is at least many decades old, does not solely or even mainly originate from people identifying as Christians, and seems to have a pretty solid factual basis - at the very least, there is a consensus on the broad argument if not the details. The Twitter thread does not even attempt to fairly acknowledge these facts. Very sad and disappointing.
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#37This might be a good time to discuss whether payment processors should have the ability to restrict legal trades (CP is a few bad apples). This applies to things like sex work and porn but also censorship of political views. I think it's stupid to pay for porn when there's so much available for free but who am I to judge what people do with their money and body as long as it's consensual adults? Plus if we are to enj…
There is no room for discussion. Your civil liberties are being eroded with this measure.
Don't say "there is no room for discussion" on a discussion forum, it's obnoxious.
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#38Aren't the payment processors not abusing their dominant position, like what happened a decade ago with Wikileaks? At least at that time they had the excuse they were pressured by the US government. What's motivating them this time? Do we need some sort of liability safe-harbor for payment processors?
Payment processors have been doing this for a while with anyone politically controversial as well. Now people have realised they fold to public pressure, you just need to start complaining about your own pet cause to make it happen.
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#39I believe his argumentation that this is a push by Christian organizations might be correct, but I believe he's deluded in that he appears to think that he's speaking for the majority. "65% of adults in the United States identified themselves as Christians."
It's more complex than that. For one thing the current porn industry does have some ethical issues. Even people not opposed to pornography per se have issues. But beyond that, the zealously anti-porn crowd isn't just Christians. It's something of an unholy alliance -- you have more than a few ultra-woke, a smattering of the Q crowd type, and of course the good ol' fashioned core of Catholic and Baptist types. Plus no doubt some others.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Blogs exist, but due to network effect any given blog post is less likely to be auto-surfaced by an algorithm into people's field of vision than a stream of dozens of individual Twitter posts.
Just more evidence that effective != better
Agreed. Throughout its history, the story demonstrated by Twitter is that network effect is more important than technical competence. From their scaling- pains failwhale era through to this week where they accidentally de-verified Danny DeVito, the site continues to be extremely popular in spite of, not because of, its technical design and competent implementation.