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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by mempko »

csmeder wrote: post #167
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Haha, and then in 10 years when He announces X you will say: “since he’s had great success in pioneering self landing reusable rockets, starting a colony on Mars, pioneering the EV market, pioneering Robo taxis, making the first commercial humanoid robots, moving traffic underground, adding computers to people’s brains, he has now fallen for the idea that he can easily repeat that success in other areas like X” This…

Ok but global warming though...

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Post by mempko »

gerash wrote: post #214
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Tesla FSD might end up getting good enough after a hardware upgrade in 5 years or so. The humanoid seems at least a decade or two away. That said, I truly enjoy that he's investing time and money in these futuristic sci-fi projects rather than trying to optimize the next quarter earnings.

Most projects of his use government funds. I wonder if this will too.

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Post by mmustapic »

mrjangles wrote: post #146
rococode wrote: post #80

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I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

> Musk is losing money because of the reusability of his rockets. If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Only now, after 10 years, are his reusable rockets just starting to break even with the cost of an expendable rocket (after reuse not before). He is pursuing reusability because it is his passion project, not because there is any money to be made from it.

Spacex can launch more rockets per year because they don't need to keep building a first stage. That's how they could launch almost 2k Starlink satellites already. If you look at the statistics, most of the launches for 2020 and 2021 have been on reused boosters.

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Post by itsoktocry »

ayrkm wrote: post #266
iloveluce wrote: post #240

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All those manufacturing woes that happened after Elon tried to automate everything in the manufacturing process https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/elon-musk-admits-humans-are-...

That is called taking risk and pushing the limit. If it does not work, admit and learn then move on.

>That is called taking risk and pushing the limit

Legacy manufacturers have far more automated systems building far more complicated cars. What was "pushed to the limit"?

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Post by itsoktocry »

wallaBBB wrote: post #199
rococode wrote: post #80

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I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

Hmmm one correction, SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face for the public. Tesla is his child, but so are many other (now obviously failed) projects.

>SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face for the public.

A substantial portion of the Musk fanbase believe he's the one personally designing rockets and coding the software to land them.

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Post by __m »

kamray23 wrote: post #209
cryptoz wrote: post #153

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I'm no Musk fan but this > If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Strikes me as short term thinking and not true, also. The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. There doesn't seem to be any way to achieve that without reusability. The money to be made from founding the first Mars colony supplied with reusable rockets completely dwarfs s…

That ticket price is very, very optimistic. With it's 1200 t of fuel, the starship eats 240 t of methane and 960 t of oxygen. The price for methane is around 80 cents per litre, 240 t is 520 m^3 ish, so thats $420 000. Oxygen on the other hand seems to cost $10.6/kg, giving you a number of $12 000 000. Rounds out to 12 million per a single fueling. If the Starship carries 40 people that's just enough to bring the fue…

Plus there isn’t enough space for 40 people, real number will probably be below 20

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Post by libertine »

rmst wrote: post #254
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

It doesn't matter if this isn't happening in any useful form in a reasonable amount of time. It's still great for hiring and funding. He has used the same hiring technique since x.com: 1) announce overambitious, relatable, unoriginal goal (e.g. human settlement on Mars) 2) present vague, relatable, unoriginal strategy (e.g. reusable rockets) 3) hire people 4) actually have them work on more incremental stuff (e.g. la…

My opinion on Musk changed with the whole crypto pump & dump thing, for the worst ofc, but those public announcements with ambitious goals are key for his achievements and to get the right people to work on those problems.

There's a lot of people here that apparently don't like that him for saying things lightly, and to pose complex problems as trivial problems - but isn't that the driver to break those barriers and challenge that type of barriers such people create.

"Oh no, this is a whole different problem he shouldn't dare to say this!"

Except he should, and if he gets the right people involved with the right motivations and funding they might actually do something. How can they fail? Even if it take them 10 years to do so.

People shouldn't underestimate the power of those bold statements, for example Musk said in a recent interview that Tesla probably has the best material eng. team in the world - and the thing is that they might not be the best, or the smartest, but they sure as hell are contributing to the leap of Tesla over everyone else.

Will people drop from Boston Dynamics to go work for Tesla? Why not, if some don't agree with the status quo, or because they think that things should be done differently and BD isn't willing to pursue that because they're too invested into their own thing.

So this should be celebrated, more people working to solve this is the right path.

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Post by danf1 »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

I was skeptical when I saw it, even as a long time fan. But I thought is using all money capital, _human_ capital and trying really hard to "repeat that success in other areas" such a bad thing? It doesn't seem so, but the despair in comments like these sound very smart, i'll give you that.

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Post by itsoktocry »

systemvoltage wrote: post #136
CommieBobDole wrote: post #106

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I don't dismiss Tesla's successes at all, but they are primarily repackaging and improving technologies that already exist. They didn't need to invent the lithium-ion battery, or the electric motor, or the automobile; all of those things already existed and were available to be adapted to Tesla's desired use. Humanoid robots, however, are a much harder problem than building a mass-market-ready electric car. In order…

You've left out manufacturing. Building a car factory + supply chain is quite the challenge. Tesla had the best and the brightest - I've worked with them before they were acquired by Tesla on a daily basis: https://teslagrohmannautomation.de/en/ and still had trouble scaling. Manufacturing is considered to be one of the hardest things about building cars - electric or not. Edit: What's with the downvotes? Disagree? C…

>Building a car factory + supply chain is quite the challenge

And yet Elon announced to the world he was going to have the most automated factory in the world, the machine that builds machines, and that the factory was the actual product. People lapped this up. 2 years later they were hand-assembling cars in a tent.

Now do you see the problem?

>Manufacturing is considered to be one of the hardest things about building cars

Again, you say this as if it's some kind of revelation. It's obvious. The only shock is that Musk and the people he was surrounded with didn't realize it.

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Post by libertine »

bserge wrote: post #244
csmeder wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, and then in 10 years when He announces X you will say: “since he’s had great success in pioneering self landing reusable rockets, starting a colony on Mars, pioneering the EV market, pioneering Robo taxis, making the first commercial humanoid robots, moving traffic underground, adding computers to people’s brains, he has now fallen for the idea that he can easily repeat that success in other areas like X” This…

Yeah, yeah, but aside from all that, what has Musk done for us?

He provides entertainment for "nerds" like us, to the point of creating feud and division.

And he knows it.

Just to be clear it's nerds from tech, finance, auto, etc.

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