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Post by DevoidSimo »

trhway wrote: post #283
res0nat0r wrote: post #38

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The only way there should be a legal hold on a phone like that, is if it is her work phone, which she shouldn't be having nude pics of herself on in the first place.

> The only way there should be a legal hold on a phone like that, is if it is her work phone, which she shouldn't be having nude pics of herself on in the first place. some people use their personal phone for work email, etc. and miss the fact that that makes the phone basically a company property - i.e. the company can wipe it remotely, etc. Wrt. Apple requiring to not wipe out laptop before returning it i wonder ho…

At least on android (maybe not used at apple?) there are work profiles. You install all the work stuff there, and that partition can be remotely wiped. All of your personal stuff is kept segregated. It's also nice that you can turn off the work profile during weekends and holidays so that you don't get work notifications.

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Post by heavyset_go »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #299

Fyi, she’s the same woman whose apartment complex was apparently built on toxic waste that made her sick ( only her ), yet noone could measure any harmful substance in her apartment, the authorities couldn’t help and tried to cover it up. [1] It seems strange that she happens to be also the victim of organized workplace harrasment at Apple. And again, the authorities (internal Employee Relations) refused to help, and…

Apparently you can only have one bad thing happen to you otherwise anonymous people online will attack your character and call you crazy.

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Post by crooked-v »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #299

Fyi, she’s the same woman whose apartment complex was apparently built on toxic waste that made her sick ( only her ), yet noone could measure any harmful substance in her apartment, the authorities couldn’t help and tried to cover it up. [1] It seems strange that she happens to be also the victim of organized workplace harrasment at Apple. And again, the authorities (internal Employee Relations) refused to help, and…

Even a light scan through the Apple stuff will find you things that obviously aren't just "in her head", like the "Make Ashley's Life a Living Hell" bug ticket entry that other people have mentioned still exists in Apple's system if someone with access looks it up by ID number.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

teakettle42 wrote: post #274
endymi0n wrote: post #251

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I find it harmful to jump to a conclusion too early and blame the victim. Forcing someone to merge these accounts can take many forms and Apple has thousands of different teams and managers. Even if there was zero explicit or implicit force in place, the circumstances can still be non-obvious. If you get handed a MacBook, you're basically forced to work with an iCloud account. And the fact that making the mistake of…

> I find it harmful to jump to a conclusion too early and blame the victim. The only victims I can possibly see here are those employees that had to review nude images inappropriately stored on a work computer. Apple absolutely does not require that you use your personal iCloud account on your work machines, and any professional should know that it is inappropriate to browse, share, or store nude photos (of anyone) o…

Everyone has days of lax judgement: Excitement over a new job can do this. Anxiety, depression, a sick child, yourself being sick, recent marriage, a big move, and a slew of other things can do this.

Apple should be in the position to instruct new employees to create an icloud account for work alongside explaining that the computer they are handed must be turned in at times. The employees aren't the only ones with responsibility here.

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Post by fmajid »

tzs wrote: post #43

The same Apple that can't figure out how to let customers merge two accounts [1]? [1] Why would a customer need to merge two accounts? Because originally Apple accounts were just for iTunes, associated with your email address. Then they started cloud services like file storage, email, calendars, etc, and those accounts were tied to your Apple provided email address. Eventually they made it so that iTunes and cloud us…

And people get married and divorced all the time, go figure…

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Post by tpxl »

dylan604 wrote: post #216
renerthr wrote: post #211

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> they are required to keep copies of every email sent by employees Required by who? (Sorry, I'm not so knowledegable about these things)

Corporations have to follow guidelines/rules/laws in order to be in good standing. If the corp is sued, the corp will have to respond to discovery requests from the plantiff's attorneys. In the past, so many companies have deleted emails so that they did not have to turn over incriminating evidence has lead to laws being passed that require a minimum amount of document storage. I don't know the details other than it…

The corp having to give out emails on legal requests does not in any way shape or form imply they read your mails regularly. They certainly aren't allowed to in some parts of Europe, even though they have to respond to legal requests.

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #184
devnull3 wrote: post #106

It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

Do people just assume she's telling a truthful story? I wonder that because I worked there for years and anything remotely like what she claims was implausible when I was there, and would have been immediately corrected with impunity had such occurred. I mean there's security all over and they're not in a managerial chain, so something seems very difficult about her claims to me. In saying that, maybe she did have so…

> Do people just assume she's telling a truthful story?

I have no reason to doubt that she's telling the trust from her perspective, but that being said, there are always two sides to a story.

> In saying that, maybe she did have some entirely crazy people around her

To be honest, reading her published tweets/documents, she mostly appears to be someone who complains to HR about everything. Judging by the way her managers "dismiss" her complaints with (attempted) humor (refill whiskey bottles with fruit color and water, suggest which NERF gun she should buy, etc), i'm guessing she's been at it for a while. The sign that her managers purposely leave her out of important meetings could also be a signal that "she's more trouble than beneficial".

Not saying she was wrong (or correct) when she complained, but it would certainly explain some of the hostility being shown by her team members. Reading the parts she complains about it actually sounds like a really nice and accepting/inclusive workplace, and a place i would love to work. Planning a NERF war, and your managers only concern is if you're too loud to disturb other teams :)

In any case, she has published multiple (redacted) confidential documents, so i wouldn't get my hope up for a big settlement.

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Post by bierjunge »

e_proxus wrote: post #286
blitzar wrote: post #280

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Is it really that extreme? Threat model, staying employed / defend against idle gossip. Company surveillance (of their employees) is very real and unlike 'google reads all my emails' they actually can and do and it is a person they actually know whos private information they are viewing. I dont even need to get into the chance of every piece of information being in a lawsuit or get into the lack of any controls aroun…

Wow, what kind of workplace did you work in? Here in Germany I think gathering many of these facts would simply be illegal.

Yes most of that would be illegal, except you gave them consent in your contract or other legal document.

This is also exactly why I always check all the paperwork for "personal usage" of the devices and services provided by the company (email and stuff). If there is nothing about it, I send my mom a random cat picture from my work email (always outside of office hours, in other cases it could be a contract violation). Why? Because if it's not forbidden, you are implicitly allowed to and after at least one private message was sent by the account, it's legally like a private account.

If your employer snoops in the account, it's a massive privacy violation (Datenschutzgesetz and DSGVO/GDPR) and a strong case in employment law. Never needed it, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

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Post by OnlyMortal »

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #290
endymi0n wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it harmful to jump to a conclusion too early and blame the victim. Forcing someone to merge these accounts can take many forms and Apple has thousands of different teams and managers. Even if there was zero explicit or implicit force in place, the circumstances can still be non-obvious. If you get handed a MacBook, you're basically forced to work with an iCloud account. And the fact that making the mistake of…

I’ve been given a MacBook on the first day at work, there was zero chance I would log in with my own iCloud ID - I created a new one.

Correct. Don’t use work computers for personal stuff and don’t use personal stuff for work.

It’s part of the on-boarding at my company (which happens to have formerly been at the same location Apple’s HQ is now).

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Post by brokenmachine »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #284
azinman2 wrote: post #246

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Read this: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni... and tell me what's not about privacy with this? The alternative is upload everything unencrypted to providers who then scan there, which is how everything else works.

> The alternative is upload everything unencrypted to providers who then scan there That's exactly how it should be. If a service provider wants to scan unencrypted documents for legal or PR reasons that's completely understandable. If instead they want to provide true E2EE and risk ending up in court with the regulators, that's also fine. E2EE with black box on device scanning, however, is an absolutely terrible ide…

There's no proper encryption though. In my mind, it's just like having everything unencrypted but using TLS to get it to Apple central. Apple employees can still access it.

This is just ever so slightly better than the worst of everything.

No real encryption, on-device scanning and scanning on Apple servers. "For privacy", WTF!!

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