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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by FireBeyond »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #116
rococode wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

That is a good point; Musk does sometimes announce things that essentially serve as a placeholder for "we're going to do this thing once the technology improves enough to make it feasible", and this is likely more of the same. But "useful humanoid robot" is way more forward-looking than anything else he's done this with; the closest thing would be the whole "full self-driving without LIDAR" thing, which keeps getting…

> If I had to make a bet on when it was possible, I'd say 25 years. Maybe 10 if Tesla goes all-in on robots and spends tens of billions on it, Manhattan project style.

Except Musk says they'll be in beta in 2022. Hah.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by sidcool »

bmitc wrote: post #125

This is a complete joke of a company and CEO. How do they get away with it?

Let's see. By building the best electric cars? And running a sustainable automotive business?

Sending autonomous rockets to the space station? With humans!!

Reducing cost of electric cars and rockets drastically?

On and on and on.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by imron »

justicezyx wrote: post #140
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

No no-no This type of reasoning simply does not understand the market competition. Once there is a market, the goal is to win the competition, not to hit some technical bar. Is there a better player in the industry in building humanoid robot? I rarely see any that is better than Tesla. Modern cars are essentially a robot, or the closest thing in tech stack. Is Musk stretching himself? Of cuz, that's how new things ar…

> Is there a better player in the industry in building humanoid robot?

Boston Dynamics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4DML7FIWk

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by FireBeyond »

justicezyx wrote: post #140
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

No no-no This type of reasoning simply does not understand the market competition. Once there is a market, the goal is to win the competition, not to hit some technical bar. Is there a better player in the industry in building humanoid robot? I rarely see any that is better than Tesla. Modern cars are essentially a robot, or the closest thing in tech stack. Is Musk stretching himself? Of cuz, that's how new things ar…

Boston Dynamics? They've been working on such things for years and they're still very much in their infancy.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by shirro »

I guess the difference between me and a billionaire is I don't try and turn all my dumb ideas into products. Eventually if you throw enough crazy ideas out there and refine them I guess some of them work. I am still awestruck at the stuff SpaceX does.

Probably anyone can luck into a bit of success but continued success paradoxically requires a willingness to fail spectacularly.

I think this one can be added to the hyperloop, solar tiles and full self driving but what would I know.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by csmeder »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Haha, and then in 10 years when He announces X you will say: “since he’s had great success in pioneering self landing reusable rockets, starting a colony on Mars, pioneering the EV market, pioneering Robo taxis, making the first commercial humanoid robots, moving traffic underground, adding computers to people’s brains, he has now fallen for the idea that he can easily repeat that success in other areas like X”

This is going to be a good thread to come back to in 10 years. Maybe I’ll be completely wrong and need to admit I was foolishly optimistic in Musk’s ability, however, my guess is the parent comment will be hilarious/absurd in hindsight.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by pontusrehula »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #129
CommieBobDole wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a good point; Musk does sometimes announce things that essentially serve as a placeholder for "we're going to do this thing once the technology improves enough to make it feasible", and this is likely more of the same. But "useful humanoid robot" is way more forward-looking than anything else he's done this with; the closest thing would be the whole "full self-driving without LIDAR" thing, which keeps getting…

> If I had to make a bet on when it was possible, I'd say 25 years. Maybe 10 if Tesla goes all-in on robots and spends tens of billions on it, Manhattan project style. I have a decade of experience in robotics (including both humanoid robots and self-driving cars) and I think this is optimistic. Robotics is a wonderful field if you like to work on hard research problems. It is a terrible field if you're trying to inv…

I think industrial robotics is a well established and profitable field.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by mrjangles »

cryptoz wrote: post #153
mrjangles wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

I'm no Musk fan but this > If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Strikes me as short term thinking and not true, also. The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. There doesn't seem to be any way to achieve that without reusability. The money to be made from founding the first Mars colony supplied with reusable rockets completely dwarfs s…

First, no one denies that reusability is still not profitable. This includes Musk himself and heads of all the other rocket companies who have all made it clear they aren't pursing it because these is simply no business case for it. At best maybe recovering the fairings or engines could be profitable for now.

> The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars.

His Starship is set to hold 40 people on the trip to mars. That would mean he earns 16 million per Starship sent to mars. Each Starship takes about 8 launches to fully fuel.

He currently sells 1 regular launch for 50 million each, so your numbers just don't add up. This isn't a money making scheme.

In fact, Musk would be the first person to admit he isn't trying to make money by sending people to Mars. This is his passion project. In fact, the whole reason he created his Starlink business was to pay for his efforts to colonize Mars.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by bmitc »

sidcool wrote: post #162
bmitc wrote: post #125

This is a complete joke of a company and CEO. How do they get away with it?

Let's see. By building the best electric cars? And running a sustainable automotive business? Sending autonomous rockets to the space station? With humans!! Reducing cost of electric cars and rockets drastically? On and on and on.

Tesla has nothing to do with rockets, so that’s all irrelevant. Tesla does not make the best electric vehicles. I doubt they’re sustainable in the future with more and more competition onboarding. For example, other car manufacturers rev their models every couple of years or so across dozens of models across several geographic regions. Tesla is clearly not able to do that with their existing three models. I guess we’ll see.
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