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Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Toyota was one of the few (only?) companies to keep a large stockpile of chips on hand to continue production in case of a supply interruption. They kept something like two years worth on hand. I guess 18 months of doing the extremely heavy lifting for the whole industry has taken its toll and now they're in the same boat.

I thought Toyota invented not doing that.

JIT is probably the most mis-understood supply chain concept.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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So new cars are going to be come more expensive due to supply limitations and in turn used cars will continue to become more expensive as they can rise to a certain % of the new car price. At the same time housing prices continue to sky rocket. Seems like not a great time for someone just stepping into adulthood and financial responsibility.

> just stepping into adulthood and financial responsibility. I am older than that (40 and my wife is 35) and while we have been independent professionals for a while, we now have a 1 year old so this summer for the first time in our lives we bought a house and a car. It was definitely harder to find a house (mainly less availability driving competitive bidding) and it took a little longer to find a car and we ended u…

Rents are going through the roof, too.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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This so-called “transitory inflation” is really starting to seem like it will parlay into full blown inflation.

> This so-called “transitory inflation” is really starting to seem like it will parlay into full blown inflation.

A lot of the people screaming about inflation were doing so using the argument that there's too much spending and the "excess" money supply will cause the US to turn into Zimbabwe (Fed printers go brrrrrr): demand-pull inflation.

The price fluctuations caused pandemic-related supply issues (cost-push inflation) don't have much to do with money supply and stimulus packages.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Keynesian_view

If things get too hot, it's easy enough for interest rates to be pulled up, but given un/employment isn't at pre-pandemic levels, policy makers may let things ride for a while.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Toyota was one of the few (only?) companies to keep a large stockpile of chips on hand to continue production in case of a supply interruption. They kept something like two years worth on hand. I guess 18 months of doing the extremely heavy lifting for the whole industry has taken its toll and now they're in the same boat.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but does anyone still produce cars without chips? It's possible, and in the current environment it seems like it would be a major competitive advantage-- and might be more reliable in general.

I don't even know if you can buy new off-road toys that don't have chips - four wheelers, side-by-sides, snowmobiles and the like. Pretty sure they all use electronic fuel injection these days, and that requires at least one chip.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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As Taleb likes to say, an efficient system is the opposite of a robust system, kind of by definition. We are now witnessing the effects of our modern hyper-efficient just-in-time global manufacturing system.

You should be upvoted 100 points. That's the elephant in the room. Basically selfish behavior lead to global problem. So no, we can't let big corps rule the world alone.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Spend 5K on a really nice commuter electric bicycle. You'll be doing a solid for the Environment and you'll have an EV that makes you fitter.

My problem with 5K on an electric bike is the 50 mile commute one way to work in inclement weather.

Fair enough - doesn’t sound like you were ever the target audience for a commuter bike to begin with.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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So new cars are going to be come more expensive due to supply limitations and in turn used cars will continue to become more expensive as they can rise to a certain % of the new car price. At the same time housing prices continue to sky rocket. Seems like not a great time for someone just stepping into adulthood and financial responsibility.

but stop and think for a second about all those short term profits Wall Street made by outsourcing all of our crucial manufacturing! Those congressional bribes don't pay themselves either! /s the worst part is our government is rewarding them for bad behavior, the article mentions the billion dollar chip subsidy program. So these companies made money outsourcing and will now make more by bringing it back. Instead the…

It's a bit too easy to blame this only on Wall Street. First of all companies have outsourced their production facilities to lower production costs. The parties benefiting from this were:

- shareholders (more profit)

- consumers (lower prices)

Second, you could say shareholders == Wall Street, but you could just as well say that shareholders are pension holders, banks, insurances and small private investors. All of these simply want to have return on their investment that is as high as possible. If that's good or bad is an interesting question, but the bottom line is that very few people are without blame here.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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>and might be more reliable in general Cars in, say, the 1960s were not "more reliable in general." It's not all semiconductor-related of course--they also rusted out quickly in areas that got snow--but 5 years/50K miles is about what you were looking at for vehicle lifetime. Also much lower fuel efficiency, to say nothing of lack of what we'd consider routine safety features today.

Ever since working on Integrated-Logistcs-Support I take issue when terms like reliability are thrown around. Because in the end it's a result of looking at Reliability (stuff not breaking down often), Availability (stuff being functional when planned to be), Maintainability (how easily stuff can be kept functioning and repaired when broken), Supportability (how easy spares can be get) and Testability (how easy it is…

I think that's true. What most of us care about in cars is that they work when we want to drive them someplace right now, won't leave us stuck on the side of the road, and don't have prohibitive (time or money) planned maintenance.

What's probably true is that older cars that aren't rusted out can probably be kept running by people with the appropriate mechanical skills even in the absence of proper factory/3rd party parts for longer than modern vehicles can. Given intact supply chains, modern vehicles are more available overall. But, to the point of the article, modern vehicles are more susceptible to lack of parts.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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The difference being that lots of people want to keep those inflated housing prices high (nimbyism), whereas nearly everyone wants car prices to go back to normal.

Car prices won't go back to normal again though. They will come up clever financing schemes to make people pay but the prices will never be reduced.

There's huge inflation in many things related to making cars (chips, steel, shipping costs as many cars are still being shipped across the ocean, labor costs, etc.). We are likely to be in the very beginning of significant inflation cycle, with probably double digit inflation which will eventually drop to 4-4.5%. I wouldn't expect to prices to drop any time soon, nor have 2% inflation. My bet is that fewer and fewer new cars will be sold in the next few years (3-5) with prices rising 4-10% each year.
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