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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by krageon »

ethelward wrote: post #136
sombremesa wrote: post #127

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When Zoom first came onto the scene, the other technologies you've listed had more friction than coarse grained sandpaper. Zoom was the very first to let people join meetings without a) signing up; and b) downloading anything. I don't know about all the solutions you've listed, but Google Meet for example still requires an account whereas Zoom still does not. As more and more people use Zoom, the friction of using it…

> Zoom was the very first to let people join meetings without a) signing up; and b) downloading anything E.g. BigBlueButton and Jitsi were doing it for much longer.

Both of those do not consistently work across a large organisation (1k+ users) without perfectly homogenous hardware. That means they're effectively unusable.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by krageon »

the_reformation wrote: post #169
toiletaccount wrote: post #161

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and yet i still dont trust their shitware. there's a lesson to be learned there.

You can't be pleased?

The security issues were such that the product should be tainted forever, or at the very least for the next ten years.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by krageon »

FiReaNG3L wrote: post #131
okprod wrote: post #100

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I think the OP meant options that are as "easy" as click on a link and join a meeting. I use BBB and Mumble but there are others I know who would never know how to set up their own instance or even what github is.

jitsi is exactly that, been using it for the whole pandemic for meetings for my team of 10 ppl, never had an issue.

Jitsi won't consistently work at scale and is (like most webrtc only applications) a terror to debug. You can basically forget about using it with someone that has issues.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by ethelward »

krageon wrote: post #221
ethelward wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Zoom was the very first to let people join meetings without a) signing up; and b) downloading anything E.g. BigBlueButton and Jitsi were doing it for much longer.

Both of those do not consistently work across a large organisation (1k+ users) without perfectly homogenous hardware. That means they're effectively unusable.

For an overwhelming majority of Zoom users, scaling over 1k users is not a concern.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by CrimsonRain »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #77
CrimsonRain wrote: post #68

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Hangouts has zoom-level annotation or 5k screen share where texts are crisp?

How often do you use those features, and how useful are they to all participants?

Everyday. Multiple times. How do you screen share and not use annotation?

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by Ansil849 »

rrdharan wrote: post #220
Ansil849 wrote: post #194

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> (After lying about it for years) Correct. But currently, as far as is known, they actually do provide it. Which, practically, is what matters because other than WebEx there are no comparable alternatives that I'm aware of.

Jitsi: https://jitsi.org/e2ee-in-jitsi/

Jitsi is discussed in the comment below yours in this sub-thread.

I have extensively tested Jitsi and it does not do what I need it to do (support E2EE video conferencing for teams larger than 50 people).

People recommend Jitsi all the time, but I have yet to see any real-world cases of people actually using E2EE Jitsi meetings for large teams.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by littlecranky67 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #156
netr0ute wrote: post #144

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I think it's because we power users want more from a UI, but to Average Joe, Zoom is great because all the simple stuff is easy to understand.

I've got to agree with the GP on this. I would argue Zoom is one of the least simple to understand UIs. - It's multi-window (like WebEx). Whereas Teams and Meets is a single window interface - It has a great many options and not all of them are immediately obvious. Like how filters are hidden behind then stop cam button I'm not saying I'm a fan of MS Teams nor Google Meets either. But they do have a much slicker UI.

Teams gas recently switched to multi window, too.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by eurasiantiger »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #225
eurasiantiger wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often do you use those features, and how useful are they to all participants?

Everyday. Multiple times. How do you screen share and not use annotation?

I’ve yet to see someone use it, so clearly one of us is in a bubble.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by hnlmorg »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #227
hnlmorg wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got to agree with the GP on this. I would argue Zoom is one of the least simple to understand UIs. - It's multi-window (like WebEx). Whereas Teams and Meets is a single window interface - It has a great many options and not all of them are immediately obvious. Like how filters are hidden behind then stop cam button I'm not saying I'm a fan of MS Teams nor Google Meets either. But they do have a much slicker UI.

Teams gas recently switched to multi window, too.

That's not been my experience. Is that an opt in (ie none default behaviour) or a specific Teams client running on a specific machine?

I've used the Mac, Linux and Windows client regularly up until 2 months ago (using pretty much the default settings) and since it's just been the Mac client.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by cannabis_sam »

lmm wrote: post #195
cannabis_sam wrote: post #121

I feel like I live in a bizzaro world... First, I’ve been working remotely over skype, audio-only, for over a decade. Yet in 2020 and with the emergence of zoom, it’s suddenly become an expectation that everyone is incessantly and awkwardly staring at each other through screens for the whole workday. Second, the few times I’ve used Zoom it’s been absolutely garbage, with video and sound dropping or just not there (th…

Are you using an old version? Skype was good once but has gotten buggier and more bloated with each new release. > Second, the few times I’ve used Zoom it’s been absolutely garbage, with video and sound dropping or just not there (this was a university paying for Zoom’s services). Yeah that absolutely sounds like bizzaro world. Zoom somehow works a lot better than anything else, IME. (I wish it didn't, there are many…

I don’t really use skype anymore, but I never had that many issues with it even if I updated..

But yeah, I fully accept that other people have generally found Zoom to be better than the alternatives. Friends that teach (university in this case) says it’s been a godsend.

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