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Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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What would they have to do to lose your business? Literally get you arrested? You're financially supporting the creation of an Orwellian dystopia.

Every other cloud provider has scanned since 2013. We're already in the Orwellian dystopia.

I think Apple is the only major company who tries at least a little to resist Orwellian dystopia. Business model of other companies cannot allow resisting.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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It would be hard to leave Apple. I'm at least waiting to see how this shakes out, and I'm aware of the fact that the other major commercial vendors (Microsoft, Google) are far worse than Apple on most of these issues. Linux is still too high-maintenance for me, though I could be convinced. I am watching https://frame.work/ closely and considering grabbing one just to support that effort. The big flaw is use of Intel…

In terms of power usage versus CPU performance, nothing beats M1 indeed. In terms of pure performance, Ryzen 7 5800X beats M1 in nearly every benchmark. That's ~200W versus ~20-30W though.

In terms of SSD performance, the M1 SSD upgrade from 256 GB to 1TB cost about 500 EUR, while a 1TB Samsung 980 SSD (with very similar performance) costs about 120 EUR total.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Exactly, I think people are just getting a little too worked up over this whole thing. Apple computes a hash of each image you upload to iCloud then check it against a list of CP hashes. Of all the things in the world to get worked up over, this is ridiculous. I get it, the mechanism they're using has apparent flaws, and maybe some whacko could somehow get access to your phone and start uploading things that trick th…

Apple's using my electricity and my silicon to call the cops on me. We have no idea what hashes they're checking images against; we can't see the raw data, and we can't see the hashes, and we can't see what they're sending to their servers. There is no technical reason why this needs to exist. If they want to scan iCloud photos for something, they can do that on their servers. iCloud is not end-to-end encrypted. Law…

Apple could scan on the cloud. Rumor is that Apple wants to use E2E on iCloud, and this is a necessary step to shut up the government's biggest critique of E2E and deploy it before the government can figure out a different excuse. We'll see if that pans out.

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> It's an evil but it's still the least among evils. Nope, you can use a degoogled android. There's still a matter of hardware that's not open but there's not much we can do that without sacrificing a lot of usability.

Then you can't use the Play Store (legally at least) and can't use paid apps. You're still taking a massive usability hit.

Yeah, provided I don't find alternative open-source / self-hosted apps. I'm not saying it's easy, but it seems doable in medium/long term - if you value privacy and owning your data.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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To be honest... None. It's a choice. You might wholly disagree, but recent events aren't enough to get me to switch yet, because I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly regardless of what they say (as they've been proven to be misleading in the past)... or I can use a Linux phone and say goodbye to batt…

Exactly, I think people are just getting a little too worked up over this whole thing. Apple computes a hash of each image you upload to iCloud then check it against a list of CP hashes. Of all the things in the world to get worked up over, this is ridiculous. I get it, the mechanism they're using has apparent flaws, and maybe some whacko could somehow get access to your phone and start uploading things that trick th…

This is only applicable in the US?

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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To be honest, I'd rather let Tim Cook personally review every photo I take and show them to his friends at parties than use that tech stack.

I hate to say it, but if these are the best alternatives then I guess I have to be ok with losing my privacy. I'll keep pressing Apple and donating to the EFF and Fight for the Future.

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I'm reasonably confident that Google listens to every conversation I have within earshot of my phone. It isn't uncommon to find things in my news feed that are related to things I have no interest in but a friend or coworker had just mentioned to me in passing.

The conspiracy that never dies. I think it's so sticky because people feel very uncomfortable when they realize how much Google knows about you without having to listen.

It is not conspiracy. There is literally an option on your Google account to stop using mic for collecting data. On older accounts, it is enabled by default.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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I would be concerned about what people think when I tell them that I'm going to extremes to avoid having my devices detect and report CSAM, even if I swear it's purely for privacy reasons.

When you criticize the TSA, nobody thinks you're a terrorist. You can criticize invasive measures and most people get it.

This is a pretty flimsy analogy because we're not talking about criticism, we're talking about taking pretty onerous, inconvenient steps to avoid having CSAM detected on your devices. You might not have it on your devices, but if you tell someone you're doing all this the average knee-jerk reaction is going to be suspicion.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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There are plenty of Android flavours that don't have Google apps, like https://lineage.microg.org/ In my limited experience so far, LineageOS works much better than it used to on my HTC Desire. Battery life has been better than any of my iPhones (3G, 4S, 5S, 7 and XS) ever had. That said, if I had to chose between a Google Android phone and an Apple phone, I'd still pick the Apple one. Luckily there are more choices…

android is no where near competitive with apple’s user XP. i was a long term android user until 3ish years ago. i’ll never go back to a fragmented device ecosystem again if i can help it.

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