Why are lead engineer salaries lower than senior engineer's?
Senior Software Engineer Average: $126,000
Lead Software Engineer Average: $109,000
Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
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Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In Europe, you go, where? Same place? All of FAANG and beyond has offices in Europe.
with lower salaries, and they are trying to justify it by the “lower cost of living”, which is not actually lower. The only the exception is Switzerland - FAANG salaries here aren't lower, because this country has so legendary cost of living ;)
The US has higher cost of living if you factor in the many externalities like lack of usable public transit, mass shootings, the opioid epidemic on the streets, and many other US disasters impacting the cost of getting an equivalent quality of life.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#73It's not just software, other engineering fields are similar - same with fields like medicine.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same here. I'll have to guess at an insightful comment. Here goes Sure Europeans get paid less - but they also get a bunch of great benefits like time off and government paid health care, so it works out Also, the average salary in America is skewed by FANMAG paying really high salaries In the end, I'm happy with my work and paid fairly. I deserve a 10% raise, but I'm not pressured to switch right now HN of the futur…
How is health coverage for FAANG level and other large tech companies in the USA? That has always been a concern of mine moving to the USA. It wasn’t for a FAANG, but one company I interviewed for in the USA wasn’t going to give me health coverage for 6 months.
Most companies offer pretty good health insurance immediately.
Usually there are options like Kaiser in CA that are all inclusive similar to what you’d see in Europe. Some offer cheaper options. Some offer options that include health savings contributions from the employer to offset high deductibles.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same here. I'll have to guess at an insightful comment. Here goes Sure Europeans get paid less - but they also get a bunch of great benefits like time off and government paid health care, so it works out Also, the average salary in America is skewed by FANMAG paying really high salaries In the end, I'm happy with my work and paid fairly. I deserve a 10% raise, but I'm not pressured to switch right now HN of the futur…
> government paid health care, so it works out This argument always gets brought up. The thing is, even in much of the Europe, highly paid professionals don't use the government paid health care, but instead get health insurances from their employers, so the situation is the same as in the US. For some reason those health insurances seem to be much cheaper here than in the US, though.
What countries is this true.
I know zero people who have private health insurance. Some companies offer it as a perk, but I have never heard of anyone paying for their own private health insurance.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#76It’s funny to see this site gather so many upvotes while the server is down. I think by now everyone knows very well that software engineering salaries are higher in the United States. If the shift toward remote work really comes to fruition, I fully expect EU software salaries to rise. I’ve hired a lot of excellent remote developers in European countries. The trick is to pay them American-level wages, which are ofte…
Silicon Valley engineers are for the most part arrogant, they sound like factory workers who said Chinese manufacturing would never displace their jobs and "made in America". Companies have shown again and again they are willing to sacrifice quality if it increases profit. In this case I'm not even sure quality will be sacrificed in most cases because as you said there are tons of great engineers available
Not sure about SF arrogance but the whole “Your job is going to get outsourced to India don’t get into IT/Software Dev” thing has been around since the 90s. It’s 20 years later and the job market is better than ever, salaries are better than ever, and a lot of companies who fully embraced the IT outsourcing trend are realizing it actually hurt them in the long run. Short term it helped but now they have lost their market place edge they once had. Also worked with a company who outsourced all their call centers to Eastern Europe from Scotland and other Northern European countries, their customers hated it.
Not against outsourcing it’s gotta be a mixed bag. You’ll be extremely slow if you have to wait until tomorrow to get any answers.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#77Which Europe? Every country has a rather specific profile when it comes to the prevalent kind of IT employment. In the UK and in the Netherlands there could be opportunities on par with SV, in Germany it's mostly IT departments of non-IT companies as well as mostly unimaginative EU-funded startups, in Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria) it's a mixed bag between US/EU outsourcing, big multinationals and small local product companies.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#78As is often the issue with articles like this, it discusses salary rather than compensation (sourced from Glassdoor). Since compensation at the high end is disproportionately in equity (or in finance, bonuses), this makes the range of compensation look artificially small. Differences between e.g. junior and senior devs are probably bigger than this article lists, and I suspect there might be bigger differences betwee…
Well salaries also ignore health insurance, unemployment benefits, pensions etc. which artificially inflate the difference between the US and Europe. Also other things like childcare and schooling. I mean just the difference between what one has to pay for childcare per year can amount to several $10k and then there is college. So these calculations are definitely not so straight forward.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#79Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…
> you go to FAANG or one of the numerous startups. In Europe, you go where?
* In startups.
* In FAANG offices (they have offices in Europe).
* In other software development companies which are neither of the above, but are still numerous in Europe.
To say Software development in Europe is mostly internal enterprise software development is blatantly wrong. I'm in no way saying the job market and domain topology is the same, because it definitely isn't, but this is an incredibly inaccurate take about the software market in Europe.
Re: Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
#80Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…
I'd point out two things: While the valley definitely skews the high end in America, it employs a fraction of the total developers in the US. There's the other 90% of the country that doesn't live in the valley that works in those very same "corporate development" jobs that are in Europe. You don't think companies like Walmart, State Farm, Allstate, Epic*, Target, Best Buy, UHG, Dell*, IBM* etc. etc. employ boatloads…
Epic pays pretty well. I've seen senior developers getting 350k plus total comp, so it's not horrible.