Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States

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Post by philmcp » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

Software Engineering Salaries in Europe vs. the United States
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Post by city41 » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:02 PM UTC

Site seems down, possibly HN hug of death

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Post by tut-urut-utut » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA.

One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development.

Being a cost centre instead of a profit centre has its effect on salaries, and is hard to overcome. If you are not satisfied with your enterprise developer role in the USA, you go to FAANG or one of the numerous startups. In Europe, you go, where? In another company that is not different from previous one.

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Post by geoduck14 » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

city41 wrote: post #2

Site seems down, possibly HN hug of death

Same here. I'll have to guess at an insightful comment. Here goes

Sure Europeans get paid less - but they also get a bunch of great benefits like time off and government paid health care, so it works out

Also, the average salary in America is skewed by FANMAG paying really high salaries

In the end, I'm happy with my work and paid fairly. I deserve a 10% raise, but I'm not pressured to switch right now

HN of the future, how did I do?

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Post by milross » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

I can't seem to access the site. Can anyone care to share what the content of the website is?

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Post by tcbasche » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #3

Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…

I don’t really think that’s true. Most US tech companies have branches in Europe nowadays

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Post by MattGaiser » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

Now, is Europe higher or lower than Canada? We have some software developers working here incredibly cheaply, especially in USD terms.

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Post by volta83 » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #3

Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…

> In Europe, you go, where?

Same place? All of FAANG and beyond has offices in Europe.

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Post by ndr » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #3

Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…

I have similar expectation, but note:

1. Many of the FAANG have presence in Europe

2. There's a lot of fintech in Europe

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Post by luckylion » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #3

Without reading the article (site is down) my expectation is that the data will show significantly lower salaries in Europe than in the USA. One of the explanations is that there are almost no genuine software development companies in Europe. Software jobs there are mostly internal (enterprise) software development or customization, and not software product or service development. Being a cost centre instead of a pro…

> In Europe, you go, where?

I don't know where you go if it's about the type of work you do. If it's about compensation, you go freelance. You can double your income or lower your work load. Your future is less secure, but who here really believes that developers will no longer be in high demand within the next 10 years?