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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

computer23 wrote: post #291
White_Wolf wrote: post #238

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I'm not sure if this is up to date and anything else was done in terms of research but https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/lyme-disease-bacte...

That article was written by long time conspiracy theorist Kris Newby. Newby is the producer of a propaganda documentary for "chronic Lyme" called Under Our Skin, and also spreads conspiracy theories about bioweapons: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-review-of-under-our-skin-... https://theconversation.com/no-lyme-disease-is-not-an-escape... The article itself is about in vitro experiments funded by other chronic ly…

It has to do with spirochetes visible under microscope in human brain tissue.

Do you accept that rather obvious finding, or "cOnSpIrAcY" is your main counter-argument?

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Post by inter_netuser »

capitainenemo wrote: post #316
computer23 wrote: post #237

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It wasn't Lyme. Kris Kirstofferson is a victim of quackery: https://respectfulinsolence.com/2016/07/08/kris-kristofferso...

Hm. That blog post claims "chronic lyme disease does not exist" https://news.tulane.edu/pr/study-finds-evidence-persistent-l... I'm reading up on all this just now due to the HN front page articles, but these 2 seem to be in contradiction.

Take a look: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/628045/fneur-12-6...

These are spirochetes in the brain/spine of a dead patient who had proven lyme diagnosis in the past, and donated the brain for research.

Full study: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6280...

The onus now on the "cOnSpIraCy" camp to provide scientific evidence to the contrary.

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Post by wildmanx »

inter_netuser wrote: post #365
wildmanx wrote: post #347

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The English language has a serious deficiency in the term "research". You can do "research" by spending your days in a lab, formulating hypotheses, doing experiments, reading related academic work, drawing conclusions, publishing their findings. You can do "research" by googling, reading blog posts and wikipedia articles, watching Youtube videos, following telegram links and possibly reading a popular-science book. T…

> they are more educated in the medical field than the common patient and have context. Pompous credentialism. This is a hacker forum. Are people outside of universities unable to learn computer science, applied math, sw dev? Sure, biomed is a different field, but that’s all it is. A different knowledge base, there are more and more biomed hackers out there too, not to mention quite a few patients are PhDs and MDs th…

> Geez, from your words patients are simply all permanently dumb as bricks and unable to ever learn, where as MDs always know more than patients, despite having never ever done any actual research in their entire training and subsequent career.

Wow, it's hard to misconstrue my post more than that. Impressive!

Of course there are patients with more clue than the average patient. And of course there are incompetent doctors. But the common doctor is more educated in the medical field than the common patient.

Don't believe that? Next time you have surgery, just demand that instead of the surgeon, the next patient in the waiting room does the surgery on you. That's roughly what you are babbling about. Nothing they couldn't learn with a bit of youtube, eh?

> despite having never ever done any actual research in their entire training and subsequent career.

The post you replied to literally contains the words 'They don't stand in the lab and "do their own research", '

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Post by piva00 »

sonicggg wrote: post #355
abakker wrote: post #342

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I grew up in CT. Had it 4 times, only got the bullseye once. It is no joke, and as you get older it seems to suck more and more. Last time I had numbness in my face as the only symptom, but...thrice bitten, fully paranoid, and I was treated pretty fast. One thing which is important with a vaccine is that when I was a kid (early 90s) the rate of ticks carrying lyme was in the 10% range or less, while now it is >50%. A…

How do you manage to get it so often? I live in an area that is endemic to Lyme, but it's something that can easily be avoided (much easier than Covid). But I do see reckless behaviour all the time as well, so maybe it is not that surprising.

I live in Sweden, I know several people who got Borrelia infections including my girlfriend, and hers developed into Lyme once. Most caught it and treated it early but some just had a fever and only discovered it was Lyme after months.

It's insidious, if you spend time in nature you are exposing yourself to it. The ticks will be on tall grass, falling from trees, crawling from the ground. How can that be avoided?

During summer we have to check ourselves for ticks every single night, my girlfriend lives in a house inside a wooded area, I have a big garden on my house where deers are commonly spotted (this past month I've been visited by one every single day).

No, it's not easy to be avoided if you leave the house, just laying on my lawn or garden grass is enough to get me paranoid about it. My housemates have already found 3 ticks stuck to them.

Please, if you know an easy way to avoid all of this I'd love to hear it but so far I only know to be cautious and vigilant.

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Post by spicybright »

ghaff wrote: post #152
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #42

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I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far). They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY). I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be im…

I haven't seen any recently but they were really bad earlier in the summer in Massachusetts to the point that there were a couple walks that I was doing regularly that I decided to forgo for a bit. And anecdotally I've heard a similar story from others. (Fortunately, everything I've seen have been the larger dog ticks.)

Dog ticks?

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Post by dagw »

sonicggg wrote: post #355
abakker wrote: post #342

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I grew up in CT. Had it 4 times, only got the bullseye once. It is no joke, and as you get older it seems to suck more and more. Last time I had numbness in my face as the only symptom, but...thrice bitten, fully paranoid, and I was treated pretty fast. One thing which is important with a vaccine is that when I was a kid (early 90s) the rate of ticks carrying lyme was in the 10% range or less, while now it is >50%. A…

How do you manage to get it so often? I live in an area that is endemic to Lyme, but it's something that can easily be avoided (much easier than Covid). But I do see reckless behaviour all the time as well, so maybe it is not that surprising.

something that can easily be avoided

How? Just working in my garden for an hour or two and I have a a good 1 in 4 chance of getting a tick bite.

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Post by giantg2 »

quesera wrote: post #370
giantg2 wrote: post #359

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Coyotes have been introduced in the east in the past. They generally don't kill healthy adult deer (maybe), but they do kill a decent number of fawns. They aren't enough to fully control the population, especially in the suburbs. The advantage of going after the mice is that they can use crispr to give them immunity. It could be used on deer, but would probably have more push back. Tick tubes have already been shown…

Yep, coyotes are not pack hunters in the way that wolves are. Interestingly, the coyotes in the US East are apparently hybrid "coywolves". They are larger than western coyotes, but still not big enough to take down an adult deer, and they still do not hunt in packs. If you have a large area to cover, Tick Tubes(tm) can get expensive. You can make your own pretty easily for about 1/20th of the price: toilet paper roll…

"Yep, coyotes are not pack hunters in the way that wolves are."

"...but still not big enough to take down an adult deer, and they still do not hunt in packs."

Coyotes will hunt in packs or alone. They generally go for fawns, but they do occasionally take adult deer (there's even video of it).

https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Education/WildlifeNotesIndex/Pages/EC...

https://www.trappermag.com/article-index/deer-predation-coyo...

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #249
wepple wrote: post #144

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Permethrin on your clothes ( not on your skin), and deet. But you’ll still get them if you’re outside, and should do daily tick checks anyway.

Note that permethrin is very toxic to cats. You may want to be careful if you have them around.

Thank you both for the tips.

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

Another “tick noob” question. When going hiking in woods I avoid trails where I may “brush” against bushes or twigs or branches etc. In other words prefer wide trails. Would that be an effective way to avoid ticks? Or is there a chance ticks “fly” in the air or are passively transported in the air via wind etc? (I did say I’m a tick noob ;)

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Post by bluGill »

imwillofficial wrote: post #369
bluGill wrote: post #333

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The more of the world that does it, the better it works for everyone.

The data is not clear on this. Places that did no lockdown like Sweden have been pretty well off, other places that did heavy lock downs like NYC have not fared as well.

Sweeden has much worse results than that peers. NYC didn't do lockdowns well - the state sending infected people to nursing homes is the opposite of lockdowns.
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