Now this offers Apple a very delicate opportunity to back out of the whole scanning controversy due to technological vulnerabilities.
10 bucks they don't.
Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model
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#132I admit that I have not done enough research to have a strong opinion on this, but why is Apple taking this on themselves? As far as I can see, this outrage is because of "scanning on iPhone" that is wildly out of user's control. Why can't Apple be like others and say we scan the shit out of what you upload to iCloud(and it is in our Terms and Conditions to use iCloud)?
Almost all tech people know that iCloud (or its backups) are not encrypted, so they can decrypt it as they wish.. and those among us that are privacy conscious can comfortable turn iCloud OFF(or not sign up for one) and use the iPhone as a simple private device?
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Julian Assange and Jake Appelbaum being prime examples of this.
In case of Appelbaum, are there any solid reasons to believe that the accusations are untrue? For Assange, I think that the victim admitted that the accusation was fabricated, isn't that the case?
> solid reasons to believe that the accusations are untrue
this is not how the concept of accusation works
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#134Expectation : Political rivals and enemies of powerful people will be taken out because c-ild pornography will be found in their phone. Pegasus can already monitor and exfiltrate every ounce of data right now, it won't be that hard to insert compromising images on the infected device. Any news about "c-ild porn" being found on someone's phone is suspect now. This has been done before : 1) https://www.deccanchronicle.…
You think such a thing can happen to the best of all possible worlds, where the powerful always abide by the law and never have politicians in their pockets, and the state only serves and never defames, threatens, or blackmails people?
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Julian Assange and Jake Appelbaum being prime examples of this.
In case of Appelbaum, are there any solid reasons to believe that the accusations are untrue? For Assange, I think that the victim admitted that the accusation was fabricated, isn't that the case?
Accusations must be proven true, not untrue by the accused.
And besides the "victim" in the latter case there was a whole lot of diplomatic pressure and political commotion to set him up, with carrots and sticks and the aid of friendly satellite states.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Verified by a human" - and that human will be an overworked, underpaid, overseas subcontractor who may well have an incentive to mash the "Confirm match" button from time to time to improve his performance.
Beyond that, are we seriously going to ignore the fact that eventually this system will share the private photos of someone's naked kid with some random subcontractor? How is that even remotely OK? Or that it will find and share actual CSAM with said subcontractor?
It only shares "visual derivatives" of images whose NeuralHash match the NeuralHash of known CSAM (either by being the same image ("perceptually") or a collision).
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
All criminal accusations, including true ones , should be treated as false until the accused is proven guilty. This is a fundamental tenet of human rights in western, small-l liberal free societies. The fact that this is controversial these days is literally insane to me. The consequences of throwing this fundamental system out the window is that you get the sort of nonsense that happened with Assange, where he was l…
> All criminal accusations, including true ones, should be treated as false until the accused is proven guilty. No, they need to be treated as unproven, a very critical difference. Just to be clear, witness testimony, including testimony FROM THE VICTIM, is evidence of the crime. Just for some reason, in rape cases, we go all wonky with this principle.
Testimony is seen as wonky in all kinds of cases. The problem with testimony about rape, however, is that, in those cases, supporting evidence is rarer than usual and even when it exists, proving it was non-consensual at the time is even harder (especially when relationships or affairs are involved).
Re: Hash collision in Apple NeuralHash model
#138I admit that I have not done enough research to have a strong opinion on this, but why is Apple taking this on themselves? As far as I can see, this outrage is because of "scanning on iPhone" that is wildly out of user's control. Why can't Apple be like others and say we scan the shit out of what you upload to iCloud(and it is in our Terms and Conditions to use iCloud)? Almost all tech people know that iCloud (or its…
The speculation that I've seen here is that Apple is rolling this out ahead of a future announcement that iCloud uploads will be encrypted.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
All criminal accusations, including true ones , should be treated as false until the accused is proven guilty. This is a fundamental tenet of human rights in western, small-l liberal free societies. The fact that this is controversial these days is literally insane to me. The consequences of throwing this fundamental system out the window is that you get the sort of nonsense that happened with Assange, where he was l…
That's the burden for incarceration, not for making a personal best guess about guilt. Even far below best guess, would you send your kid with a camp councilor that you were 20% sure was guilty of something like that?
I probably would be doubtful even at 1%, sure. But there's no denying that this ruins the life of 99 innocent people for every actual criminal.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All criminal accusations, including true ones, should be treated as false until the accused is proven guilty. No, they need to be treated as unproven, a very critical difference. Just to be clear, witness testimony, including testimony FROM THE VICTIM, is evidence of the crime. Just for some reason, in rape cases, we go all wonky with this principle.
Testimony is seen as wonky in all kinds of cases. The problem with testimony about rape, however, is that, in those cases, supporting evidence is rarer than usual and even when it exists, proving it was non-consensual at the time is even harder (especially when relationships or affairs are involved).
Yes, rape is more difficult to prove than a number of other crimes. That is no reason to jump to a default "assume the accusation is false".