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Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by skinnymuch »

cycomanic wrote: post #157
Krasnol wrote: post #152

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Which is irrelevant because those who knew about those are not the significant majority which is responsible for the success of zoom

So the point is not that zoom was better UX wise, but simply had better marketing, or not?

Jitsi was awful. So it’s a combo. Zoom wouldn’t be where it is if it was Jitsi. I used Jitsi from 2018-2020. So many problems with it. You won’t find anywhere close to the polarizing views of the actual usability or Jitsi compared to Zoom or any other better app in any niche.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by toiletaccount »

the_reformation wrote: post #169
toiletaccount wrote: post #161

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and yet i still dont trust their shitware. there's a lesson to be learned there.

You can't be pleased?

by people who show themselves to be willfully negligent of the basics? fuck no.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by wil421 »

rblatz wrote: post #9
swiley wrote: post #2

Wait, governments are still using zoom? WTF?

I don’t know what rock you are living under but everyone uses Zoom. Even Cisco sales reps use it for sales meetings and they own WebEx.

Don’t know many people who use Zoom except one of our software vendors.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by tambourine_man »

acdha wrote: post #123
sombremesa wrote: post #120

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Zoom has fixed the UX in this business, which is the one thing that matters most™, and which is why they will continue to be successful. It's like a restaurant which has the absolute best food by a mile, so they remain in business despite the cockroaches and unfriendly waitstaff. Most customers don't really care about privacy and security, they just want to pretend, and as long as they can easily pretend they're happ…

Which UX problem do you think it fixed? If I had to rate by the ability to successfully start a call and not have technical issues interrupt it, I'd rank Zoom, Teams, Slack, and Google Meet roughly equivalent — the quality isn't as good or robust as Facetime but that's also not designed for meetings or cross-platform. I'd accept Google self-selecting out of the market with their incoherent messaging strategy but that…

Probably the camera and microphone on by default.

I remember people pleasantly surprised that they just clicked a link and everything worked, instead of minutes of “click that button to enable video”.

I find Zoom’s interface terrible, but I’m not a good reference for average user.

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Post by Hawxy »

foepys wrote: post #101
wila wrote: post #80

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WebView2 is the MS Edge browser technology that can be instanced as a browser control in your application. [1] It is not electron. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

Since it's unreleased they might name it differently when releasing but I don't think they will make it open source. Microsoft will most likely use it for themselves.

WebView2 has been out for ages, it released with the new edge browser. You can launch what you like in it from your own application.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by foresto »

cpncrunch wrote: post #65
KronisLV wrote: post #42

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> Offer a comparable alternative, then Here's a few: - https://meet.jit.si/ which you can also self host https://github.com/jitsi - https://bigbluebutton.org/ which you can also self host https://github.com/bigbluebutton I've found that they're especially useful, when integrated with Rocket.Chat https://rocket.chat/ which you can also self host https://github.com/RocketChat That way you have an experience that's a lo…

Yes, there are many self-hosted options out there. https://github.com/meetecho/janus-gateway works well for multi-party video with up to about 15 users in a room assuming everyone has a reasonably reliable connection.

Janus caught my attention when I was looking at WebRTC servers (SFUs) last year, but I couldn't find any good FOSS web apps for it. Do any exist?

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Post by acmj »

fsflover wrote: post #134
Ansil849 wrote: post #113

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Telegram does not support E2EE for group chats. It's also not a video conferencing platform.

> It's also not a video conferencing platform. Yes, it is: https://telegram.org/blog/group-video-calls .

The parent post said no E2EE for group chat. Telegram doesn't seem to support that according to the linked page. Telegram group video chat only allows up to 30 people for the time being, which is far too limited. Also, group chat is not the same as "conferencing platform".

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Post by rrdharan »

vitus wrote: post #167
rrdharan wrote: post #135

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Google Meet does not require an account to join a meeting. https://support.google.com/meet/answer/9303069

Um, it does...? Under "Personal account users": "Anyone who isn’t signed into a Google account can’t join your meetings." This is a feature, not a bug: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2020/07/anonymous-us... Although: "Note, this does not prevent users from dialing in by phone."

That’s specific to the education SKU and is to prevent zoom-bombing… and an admin can disable it.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by a2tech »

ghaff wrote: post #41
blululu wrote: post #11

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As someone who runs Zoom via the browser (they do deploy a dark pattern to discourage this behavior but there is no good reason to trust them) I find that Hangouts and Teams are both solid alternatives in terms of AV quality. Would be happy to see some actual data on this claim. People prefer the interface they are used to. I personally find Zoom to be really frustrating from an interface angle but that is probably j…

I don't really get the religion around the video platforms. I use three (Zoom, Google Meet, and Bluejeans) on a regular basis and they all seem simultaneously decent enough and imperfect on my network on a given day. Teams is fine too but I rarely use it.

I really liked Bluejeans (I find its audio/video quality to be far superior to the alternates) but it really didn't do well over jittery/slow connections. Zoom swept in and through people's refusal to use anything but what they're familiar with it chased out Bluejeans and we got rid of it.
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