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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

Jitsi Meet ( https://meet.jit.si/ )

Used it once, host shared the screen, never seen anything what they have shared.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jitsi Meet ( https://meet.jit.si/ )

Easy to self-host and probably less expensive to host than all the MS Office licenses used for MS Teams or paid Zoom licenses. I set up Jitsi Meet months ago and all I ever had to do was to add user accounts using prosody on the server (which should be improved imo). I've not needed to touch anything since first setup, except for user accounts. It just works. What's more is, that some solutions like MS Teams still is…

> I have a hunch, that with MS Teams there is active unwillingness to make it work properly. How else can this be explained?

As the saying goes, never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

#63
post #34

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

>Offer a comparable alternative, then. Maybe I am not doing a lot of meetings compared to others but I really haven't had more or less problems with Teams, Google products, or GoToMeeting (haven't used webex in a long time) ... compared to Zoom. It's all a wash for me among those experience wise. I constantly have various orgs tell me all about how they only use X video conferencing app because of Y experience. Most…

I'm in meetings typically 2+ hours a day. I'm on a decent but not great Internet connection. My experience is they all mostly work but none are guaranteed to have a video/audio glitch free call.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

#64

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

Do you ask for a comparable alternative when a road gets closed or slowed down? Or when a particular, well working, herbicide gets banned? Or when carrying guns openly gets banned? Did you ask for a comparable alternative to leaded fuel?

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

#65

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

> Offer a comparable alternative, then Here's a few: - https://meet.jit.si/ which you can also self host https://github.com/jitsi - https://bigbluebutton.org/ which you can also self host https://github.com/bigbluebutton I've found that they're especially useful, when integrated with Rocket.Chat https://rocket.chat/ which you can also self host https://github.com/RocketChat That way you have an experience that's a lo…

Yes, there are many self-hosted options out there. https://github.com/meetecho/janus-gateway works well for multi-party video with up to about 15 users in a room assuming everyone has a reasonably reliable connection.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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post #9
post #2

Wait, governments are still using zoom? WTF?

I don’t know what rock you are living under but everyone uses Zoom. Even Cisco sales reps use it for sales meetings and they own WebEx.

Not surprised. Among the various solutions discussed in this thread, WebEx is the worst. Hangouts, Zoom, and Teams are way ahead.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy to self-host and probably less expensive to host than all the MS Office licenses used for MS Teams or paid Zoom licenses. I set up Jitsi Meet months ago and all I ever had to do was to add user accounts using prosody on the server (which should be improved imo). I've not needed to touch anything since first setup, except for user accounts. It just works. What's more is, that some solutions like MS Teams still is…

> I have a hunch, that with MS Teams there is active unwillingness to make it work properly. How else can this be explained? As the saying goes, never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

There's an update to that saying:

Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity, unless it's Microsoft. Then it's definitely malice.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

#68

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

As someone how uses both Zoom and Google Hangouts, there is nothing Zoom offers that Google hangouts does not provide. The quality is the same for both, but at least Hangouts does not install a sketchy client on my machine that constantly runs in the background.

Hangouts has zoom-level annotation or 5k screen share where texts are crisp?

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

#69

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

> Offer a comparable alternative, then Here's a few: - https://meet.jit.si/ which you can also self host https://github.com/jitsi - https://bigbluebutton.org/ which you can also self host https://github.com/bigbluebutton I've found that they're especially useful, when integrated with Rocket.Chat https://rocket.chat/ which you can also self host https://github.com/RocketChat That way you have an experience that's a lo…

Element, too!

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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post #40
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Teams has every bug known to computers. Though, I've found GotoMeeting to work extremely well, and WebEx has been very decent but much better than Teams.

Teams manages to reboot Macintosh M1 machines after a few minutes in a call.

I'm not surprised. It can runs super slow on my computer with plenty of RAM and lots of CPU.
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