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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Wait, governments are still using zoom? WTF?

Maybe I am missing the point but what is the problem here? is there some major security flaw in zoom?

Zoom is not end to end encrypted at all, and they can see every video stream. Also their clients had vulnerabilities in the past.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

As someone who runs Zoom via the browser (they do deploy a dark pattern to discourage this behavior but there is no good reason to trust them) I find that Hangouts and Teams are both solid alternatives in terms of AV quality. Would be happy to see some actual data on this claim. People prefer the interface they are used to. I personally find Zoom to be really frustrating from an interface angle but that is probably j…

That dark pattern drives me crazy. I use Zoom on Linux and prefer to use it in browser and I still almost always miss the link after having done it several times.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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post #2

Wait, governments are still using zoom? WTF?

Maybe I am missing the point but what is the problem here? is there some major security flaw in zoom?

Well, for one, this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25474372

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

Jitsi Meet ( https://meet.jit.si/ )

Yup. We use this for every meeting at my local hackerspace and it's been great.

Bonus: it tells you when connectivity issues are on your end or someone else's end, everyone's network stats are visible.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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As someone how uses both Zoom and Google Hangouts, there is nothing Zoom offers that Google hangouts does not provide. The quality is the same for both, but at least Hangouts does not install a sketchy client on my machine that constantly runs in the background.

Appart from not having a linux client.

The client is a web browser. There are web browsers on Linux. I use hangouts in both Chrome and Firefox, and haven't had a problem with either of them.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

It's not their job to name alternatives, it's their job if a tool complies to the laws.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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I don’t know what rock you are living under but everyone uses Zoom. Even Cisco sales reps use it for sales meetings and they own WebEx.

> everyone uses Zoom Well, my org uses Teams and I don't know anyone who uses Zoom professionally.

My son's university has been holding tons of virtual sessions for incoming first-year students and their parents. Every one has been on Zoom.

In my experience, Zoom is the standard when you are dealing with the public at large. Teams/Hangouts/WebEx, etc are the go to options when dealing with an internal organization where all of the users are "known" ahead of time.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

Although I mainly use zoom for work, I've also used Google Meet occasionally and have found the quality to be on par with Zoom.

I notice you mentioned Google Hangouts instead of Google Meet, I'm not sure if they are the same now (too hard to keep track of these) but a brief google search seems to suggest they are not the same. If so, my past experience with Google Hangouts with friends would suggest it is indeed terrible. If so, you could give Google Meet a try.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

I have to do many online meetings, with attendants from developing countries (like mine) or unstable links. From our experience it seemsthat Zoom tolerates our unstable internet links better. I guess it has better error correction.

There's also the annotate feature is super useful, which is missing in Teams and Webex. And also offers dial-in phone numbers in more countries then the rest.

Zoom's audio design is nicer too, compared to Webex has some very annoying beeps that are a pain in large meetings.

Regarding Teams, I have a computer with plenty of RAM, SSD disks and a high end work provided smartphone. Teams is super slow in both of them. I haven't been able to use the Exe version for weeks now because it's too slow. There is also no way to quote a chat using the Windows and Web version, so in order to quote chats I have to do it from my phone.

Every once in a while I have buggy Teams or Webex meeting, that ends with a "Hey you know, I'll just send you a Zoom link".

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