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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by Revenant-15 »

ineedasername wrote: post #171
Revenant-15 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've happily taken their advice and have moved to an Xbox Series S for a good 80% of my gaming needs. What gaming I still do on my PC consists mainly of older games, emulators and strategy games. Although I've been messing with Retroarch/Duckstation on my Xbox, and it's been quite novel and fun to be playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console.

playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console. That's just wrong . There should be some sort or matter/anti-matter reaction there.

You'd think so, but somehow it hasn't happened. I'm just waiting for PCSX2 to mature a bit more on Xbox, then I'll be playing PS2 games on my Xbox too.

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Post by Revenant-15 »

RussianCow wrote: post #143
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #118

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No, they aren't. They are trading at 250% of MSRP. See this data: https://stockx.com/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-c...

Anecdotally, I've noticed prices falling on the lower end. My aging RX 580 was worth over $400 used at the beginning of the year; it now goes for ~$300. The 5700 XT was going for close to $1k used, and is more recently selling for $800-900. With that said, I don't know if it's a sign of the shortage coming to an end; I think the release of the Ryzen 5700G with integrated graphics likely helped bridge the gap for peop…

I remember RX 580s going for 170 Euros before the pandemic. I can only hope that prices reach sane levels sooner than later, but I suspect we're going to see at least another year of outlandish prices.

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Post by moss2 »

Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought the problem was a chip shortage. How is Intel going to solve this? Won't they just also run out of stock instantly?

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Post by naravara »

015a wrote: post #99
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…

> These Nvidia/AMD cards are unprecedented overkill for most gamers. People are begging for cards that can run games at 1080p, Nvidia went straight to 4K, even showing off 8K gaming on the 3090, and now they can't even deliver any cards that run 720p/1080p. Today, we've got AMD releasing the 6600XT, advertising it as a beast for 1080p gaming [2]. This is what people actually want; affordable and accessible cards to play games on (whether they can keep the 6600xt in stock remains to be seen, of course). Nvidia went straight Icarus with Ampere; they shot for the sun, and couldn't deliver.

Do they need dedicated GPUs at all then? My impression has been that if you just want to go at 1080p and modest settings modern integrated GPUs can do fine for most games.

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Post by ungamedplayer »

brian_herman wrote: post #184
015a wrote: post #99

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Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…

There are also more reasons to buy nvidia gpus just than their speed they have great driver support, features like RTX Voice which cleans up the audio and other proprietary features like DLSS. Though I would argue that desktop gaming is becoming a thing of the past because mobile gaming is that much more powerful and easier to use and setup.

I'd love to believe what you are saying is true, but I just can't bring myself to play a game requiring accurate inputs on mobile. It is a disaster.

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Post by anthk »

ineedasername wrote: post #171
Revenant-15 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've happily taken their advice and have moved to an Xbox Series S for a good 80% of my gaming needs. What gaming I still do on my PC consists mainly of older games, emulators and strategy games. Although I've been messing with Retroarch/Duckstation on my Xbox, and it's been quite novel and fun to be playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console.

playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console. That's just wrong . There should be some sort or matter/anti-matter reaction there.

You could do that since the OG XBOX days.

And SNES/MegaDrive.

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Post by [deleted] »

moss2 wrote: post #203
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought the problem was a chip shortage. How is Intel going to solve this? Won't they just also run out of stock instantly?

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Post by Nexxxeh »

jeswin wrote: post #15

If Intel provides as much Linux driver support as they do for their current integrated graphics lineup, we might have a new favourite among Linux users.

With the Steam Deck coming out, running Linux in a high-profile gaming device with AMD graphics, hopefully it'll turn into a mild Linux GPU driver arms race. AMD and Valve are both working on improving Linux support for AMD hardware, GPU and CPU.

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Post by 015a »

naravara wrote: post #204
015a wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…

> These Nvidia/AMD cards are unprecedented overkill for most gamers. People are begging for cards that can run games at 1080p, Nvidia went straight to 4K, even showing off 8K gaming on the 3090, and now they can't even deliver any cards that run 720p/1080p. Today, we've got AMD releasing the 6600XT, advertising it as a beast for 1080p gaming [2]. This is what people actually want; affordable and accessible cards to p…

It depends on the game; for something like CS:GO or Overwatch, an integrated GPU @ 1080p is fine. For something like Cyberpunk, Apex Legends, or Call of Duty, its really not enough for an enjoyable experience.

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Post by rowanG077 »

pkulak wrote: post #165
iknowstuff wrote: post #160

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Intel sells expensive CPUs which are becoming useless thanks to ARM - as much in consumer devices as they are in datacenters, with big players designing their own ARM chips. GPUs are their lifeboat. Three GPU players is better than two, but I don't see much of a reason to be long Intel.

You’re overestimating the role of the architecture. X86 is just fine, and is perfectly competitive at comparable node generations. Don’t believe everything Apple tells you. ;)

That every x86 CPU in Ultrabooks thottles itself into the ground while M1 on MacBook pro is almost impossible to throttle determined this is a lie.
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