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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by deburo »

phone8675309 wrote: post #108
rasz wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would think that. GamersNexus did try Intels finest, and it doesnt look pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe Its below GT1030 with a lot of issues.

The DG1 isn’t designed for gaming, but it is better than integrated graphics.

Just to add on that, DG1 was comparable to integrated graphics, but just in a discrete form factor. It was a tiny bit better because of higher frequency, I think. But even then it wasn't better in all cases, if I recall correctly.

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Post by teclordphrack2 »

ayngg wrote: post #59
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought they are using TSMC for their gpu, which means they will be part of the same bottleneck that is affecting everyone else.

If they purchased a slot in the queue then they will be fine.

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Post by dcdc123 »

jeswin wrote: post #15

If Intel provides as much Linux driver support as they do for their current integrated graphics lineup, we might have a new favourite among Linux users.

A long time Linux graphics driver dev friend of mine was just hired by Intel.

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Post by IshKebab »

judge2020 wrote: post #39
opencl wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel is not even manufacturing these, they are TSMC 7nm so they are competing for the same fab capacity that everyone else is using.

*AMD/Apple is using. Nvidia's always-sold-out Ampere-based gaming chips are made in a Samsung fab. https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-ampere-samsung-8nm-process/

TSMC have a 56% percent market share. The next closest is Samsung at 18%. I think that's enough to say that everyone uses them without much hyperbole.

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Post by ZekeSulastin »

015a wrote: post #99
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…

… Nvidia did release lower end cards that target the same market and price point as the 6600 XT a lot earlier than AMD though - as far as MSRP goes the 3060 and 3060 Ti bracket the 6600 XT’s $380 at $329 and $399 (not that MSRP means a thing right now) and similarly brackets performance, and even the MSRP was not received well in conjunction with the 1080p marketing. Both manufacturers have basically told the mid and low range market to buy a console even if you are lucky enough to get an AMD reference or Nvidia FE card.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

ayngg wrote: post #59
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

I thought they are using TSMC for their gpu, which means they will be part of the same bottleneck that is affecting everyone else.

Except Apple

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Post by noleetcode »

at_a_remove wrote: post #43

I find myself needing, for the first time ever, a high-end video card for some heavy video encoding, and when I look, they're all gone, apparently in a tug of war between gamers and crypto miners. At the exact same time, I am throwing out a box of old video cards from the mid-nineties (Trident, Diamond Stealth) and from the looks of it you can list them on eBay but they don't even sell. Now Intel is about to leap int…

I will, quite literally, take those old video cards off your hands. I have a hoarder mentality when it comes to old tech and love collecting it.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

hughrr wrote: post #73
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

GPU stock is rising and prices falling. It’s too late now.

No, they aren't. They are trading at 250% of MSRP. See this data:

https://stockx.com/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-c...

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Post by blagie »

dragontamer wrote: post #77
blagie wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought an ATI card for deep learning. I'm a big fan of open source. Less than 12 months later, ROCm dropped support. I bought an NVidia, and I'm not looking back. This makes absolutely no sense to me, and I have a Ph.D: "* RDNA -- consumer cards. A new ISA with new compilers / everything. I don't think its reasonable to expect AMD's compilers to work on RDNA, when such large changes have been made to the architectu…

> Yes, I could figure it out, but I want plug-and-play, stability, and backwards-compatibility Its right there in the ROCm introduction. https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm#Hardware-and-Softw... > ROCm officially supports AMD GPUs that use following chips: > GFX9 GPUs > "Vega 10" chips, such as on the AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon Instinct MI25 > "Vega 7nm" chips, such as on the Radeon Instinct MI50, Radeon…

Only...

(1) There are a million different ROCm pages and introductions

(2) Even that page is out-of-date, and e.g. claims unofficial support for "GFX8 GPUs: Polaris 11 chips, such as on the AMD Radeon RX 570 and Radeon Pro WX 4100," although those were randomly disabled after ROCm 3.5.1.

... if you have a Ph.D in AMD productology, you might be able to figure it out. If it's merely in computer science, math, or engineering, you're SOL.

There are now unofficial guides to downgrading to 3.5.1, only 3.5.1 doesn't work with many modern frameworks, and you land in a version incompatibility mess.

These aren't old cards either.

Half-decent engineer time is worth $350/hour, all in (benefits, overhead, etc.). Once you've spent a week futzing with AMD's mess, you're behind by the cost of ten NVidia A4000 cards which Just Work.

As a footnote, I suspect in the long term, small purchases will be worth more than the supercomputing megacontracts. GPGPU is wildly underutilized right now. That's mostly a gap of software, standards, and support. If we can get that right, every computer have many teraflops of computing power, even for stupid video chat filters and whatnot.

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Post by NonContro »

Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

How long will that situation last though, with Ethereum 2.0 around the corner and the next difficulty bomb scheduled for December?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/olla5w/eip_3554_o...

Intel could be launching their cards into a GPU surplus...

That's discrete GPUs though, presumably the major volumes are in laptop GPUs? Will Intel have a CPU+GPU combo product for laptops?

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