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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #59
inter_netuser wrote: post #10

This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD! Class action against any medical product? VERY BAD! It’s like tainted blood transfusions, glyphosate, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.

Imagine if it was impossible for anyone to buy a car ever because when cars first went on the market 59 out of 1.4 million people who bought them got joint pain that may not have even been connected with the cars.

so the product was so unprofitable it couldn't cover liability insurance with only 59 claims out of 1 millionn units sold?

seems it was just not viable commercially.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by Whitespace »

I caught Lyme earlier this year. Recently moved to upstate NY (20 miles from Lyme, CT) and tick checks are a daily thing. Found an adult embedded in my side. Developed a 103ºF fever and fatigue. Dr. took blood for the Lyme test but didn't wait for a positive and prescribed 2 weeks of Doxycycline.

A few days later I found a bullseye rash on my leg (not near the bite area) which pretty much confirmed it.

I felt 100% around 5-7 days after developing fever symptoms.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by jf22 »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #58
jankotek wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to eradicate ticks.

The deer themselves are a problem in the northeast. They are greatly overpopulated and eat the native understory, preventing the next generation of trees from growing past adolescence. As the existing trees slowly die, there will be none younger to replace them. This also clears out the competition to the benefit of non-native plants, which the deer don't eat. Some of these plants are invasive, such as japanese barbe…

I'm sure deer populations have been higher in the past and the forests survived.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by torgoguys »

inter_netuser wrote: post #44
johnny53169 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can be sure the vaccine is safe without being sure they would win in court.

so they would lose a legal challenge to the product's safety....but it's safe? How does that follow? Liability is just a cost of doing business. You ever had D&O insurance? Right now in blockchain businesses some get quoted 10+% for coverage, i.e. 100k+ for 1 mil in coverage. Many simply forego the insurance because it's too expensive, and assume the risk. The product in question had too little upside to offset the l…

> so they would lose a legal challenge to the product's safety....but it's safe? How does that follow?

You convince a jury that it is unsafe. Happens all the time. There are many reasons this is easier than it should be.

> The product in question had too little upside to offset the liability, that's all.

The vaccine had a ton of upside...for those receiving it. Like most vaccines, it's not a hugely profitable endeavor for the company producing it, so it wasn't worth all of the baloney being thrown around in court.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by matkoniecz »

inter_netuser wrote: post #35
GuB-42 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There wouldn't be a single car being sold if it was the case. The vaccine was approved by the FDA, they did their part making sure it was safe. 100% certainty is impossible, and people should not be held liable to that. Here, they pulled off their product off not because it was shown to be unsafe but because it was unprofitable. Due to the controversy, it was a tough sell, and lawsuits are costly no matter if you are…

This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD Class action against any medical product? BAD until proven otherwise. It’s like tainted blood transfusions, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.

> Class action against any medical product? BAD until proven otherwise.

You are arguing with strawman, noone said this.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by matkoniecz »

inter_netuser wrote: post #10

This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD! Class action against any medical product? VERY BAD! It’s like tainted blood transfusions, glyphosate, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.

You are arguing with strawman, noone said this.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by yodsanklai »

inter_netuser wrote: post #57
yodsanklai wrote: post #46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_Lyme_disease > Chronic Lyme disease (CLD) is the name used by some people with "a broad array of illnesses or symptom complexes for which there is no reproducible or convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to Borrelia burgdorferi infection" to describe their condition and their beliefs about its cause. (TLDR; lot of misinformation about Lyme disease)

Take a look: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/628045/fneur-12-6... These are spirochetes in the brain/spine of a dead patient who had proven lyme diagnosis, has been given the standard treatment in the past, never recovered, developed dementia, died. Full study: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6280... The wikipedia article you are quoting is outdated misinformation, please stop sprea…

I'd encourage anyone interested to do their own research. The scientific consensus today is what is stated in the linked wikipedia article. There are lot of myths around Lyme disease.

https://eu.delawareonline.com/story/sponsor-story/nemours/20...

Myth #5: Lyme disease can have debilitating, lifelong effects.

Fact: When treated with antibiotics, Lyme disease, at any stage of presentation, is curable.

Myth #6: My child will be at risk for chronic Lyme disease once he’s infected with Lyme.

Fact: Although some people report lingering or recurrent symptoms after Lyme disease, there is no evidence that chronic Lyme disease exists. Prolonged courses of antibiotics are not needed and can do more harm than good. Follow the recommendations of trusted sources such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society.

Myth #7: Alternative therapies are valuable treatment options for my child’s Lyme disease infection.

Fact: Lyme disease is a hot topic on the internet with many people sharing both successes and horror stories about alternative treatments, but keep in mind that it is hard to verify the legitimacy of internet sources. Instead, talk to your child’s pediatrician, or consult with a pediatric infectious diseases physician at an academic medical center.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by ce4 »

voisin wrote: post #49
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #42

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I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far). They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY). I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be im…

How are you getting checked? I understood (perhaps wrongly) that the blood tests are only accurate well beyond the window with which the medications are effective, creating a chicken and egg issue.

There's no definitive accredited lab check as far as I know. At least here in Germany the official serologic tests for late stage Lyme can come back negative for years until the disease really progresses badly - even cerebrospinal fluid results may be normal despite neurological symptoms. My specialist uses elispot lab tests for Borrelia b. OspA, antigen and LFA-1 markers.

Other practitioners use westernblot lab results and differential diagnosis.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by zz865 »

jf22 wrote: post #63
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deer themselves are a problem in the northeast. They are greatly overpopulated and eat the native understory, preventing the next generation of trees from growing past adolescence. As the existing trees slowly die, there will be none younger to replace them. This also clears out the competition to the benefit of non-native plants, which the deer don't eat. Some of these plants are invasive, such as japanese barbe…

I'm sure deer populations have been higher in the past and the forests survived.

There used to be Wolves and Mountain lions to keep the deer under control.
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