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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by hannob »

inter_netuser wrote: post #8
hannob wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand the vaccine wasn't taken off the market by the FDA or science. It was taken off the market by the company producing it, due to pressure from lawsuits and bullshit concerns about risks.

You don't think vendors that sell products that can leave you maimed for the rest of your life, damage or eliminate entirely your earning potential, destroy your marital relations, and destroy future of your children should not be liable for injuries caused by their product? Really? You are against holding people liable for faulty products?

I haven't said anything like that at all.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

spicybright wrote: post #23

As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…

I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far).

They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY).

I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be immune.

I'm having myself checked at the doctor, next week.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

johnny53169 wrote: post #11
wiz21c wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not antivax but if the company is sure its vaccine is safe, why should they fear lawsuits ?

They can be sure the vaccine is safe without being sure they would win in court.

so they would lose a legal challenge to the product's safety....but it's safe? How does that follow?

Liability is just a cost of doing business.

You ever had D&O insurance? Right now in blockchain businesses some get quoted 10+% for coverage, i.e. 100k+ for 1 mil in coverage. Many simply forego the insurance because it's too expensive, and assume the risk.

The product in question had too little upside to offset the liability, that's all.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by sva_ »

spicybright wrote: post #23

As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…

> That only happens in 30% of cases though.

According to the CDC, its 70-80%[0].

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/index.html

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by yodsanklai »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_Lyme_disease

> Chronic Lyme disease (CLD) is the name used by some people with "a broad array of illnesses or symptom complexes for which there is no reproducible or convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to Borrelia burgdorferi infection" to describe their condition and their beliefs about its cause.

(TLDR; lot of misinformation about Lyme disease)

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

spicybright wrote: post #23

As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…

Many report chronic symptoms, who have been laughed at for decades.

Chronic persistence (at least in some cases) has now been proven.

Took someone with chronic lyme to donate the brain for research: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6280...

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by voisin »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #42
spicybright wrote: post #23

As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…

I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far). They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY). I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be im…

How are you getting checked? I understood (perhaps wrongly) that the blood tests are only accurate well beyond the window with which the medications are effective, creating a chicken and egg issue.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

sva_ wrote: post #45
spicybright wrote: post #23

As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…

> That only happens in 30% of cases though. According to the CDC, its 70-80%[0]. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/index.html

Not the first time CDC would be wrong.

EDIT: why downvote facts?

Recent example on a hot topic: "CDC reverses itself and says guidelines it posted on coronavirus airborne transmission were wrong"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/21/cdc-covid-a...

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