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5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by TchoBeer »

NonContro wrote: post #35

If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

>Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit...

Interesting how COVID has killed more people than the "projected" (though how confident these projections are, who knows) number. And of course, that's with us taking stricter precautions than some of the suggestions.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by jazzyjackson »

swiley wrote: post #28
rtz121 wrote: post #4

Yet again, the difference between conspiracy theory and reality is 6-12 months.

I posted ~8 months ago (albeit on an anonymous forum) that those really stupid 5g conspiracy theories might be a coverup for the privacy implications of 5g (my meta conspiracy theory if you will.)

Create a conspiracy so out-landish it out-competes the legitimate concerns for attention and burns out people’s patience for listening. There must be multiple PR firms that have this strategy down pat, is there a name for it yet?

I might nominate Conspiracy-washing, or maybe conspiracy-flooding, drowning out the rational voices.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by tyfon »

eloisius wrote: post #36
NonContro wrote: post #35

If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

Impossible and fruitless? Contact tracing has been quite effective in Taiwan unless I’ve been completely fooled by propaganda. And contact tracing apps don’t require you to accept general location tracking. They anonymously exchange temporary tokens and, when you report yourself as a positive case, the tokens you’ve used in the past two weeks get uploaded to a central authority so that anyone who has received them ca…

Testing, (manual) contact tracing and isolation is imho the biggest preventive measures that have been taken here in Norway. They do struggle in big outbreaks though to map everything but all in all it seems to have worked.

Now we are at at 1/10th of the deaths of our neighbour by population.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by squarefoot »

NonContro wrote: post #35

If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

> We've ignored everything previously established for pandemic response.

Looks like we actually forgot a lot also from much older events.

The following is from over 100 years ago.

https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spanish-flu-...

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/07/16/multimedia/03even...

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by the-dude »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #10
the-dude wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a certain overlap between anti-vax'ers and 5G-alarmists ( the vaccines contain a chip to track you with 5G! ).

There is also a huge group of people who are just very against the loss of rights and privacy, from location tracking to showing your medical data to waiters in restaurants, but the media likes to pack them in with "flat earth 5g=corona lizard bill gates" people.

If you don't want to be tracked, don't carry a tracking device.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

the-dude wrote: post #45
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also a huge group of people who are just very against the loss of rights and privacy, from location tracking to showing your medical data to waiters in restaurants, but the media likes to pack them in with "flat earth 5g=corona lizard bill gates" people.

If you don't want to be tracked, don't carry a tracking device.

We actually had a short-lived mandate, that if you wanted to cross into another municipality, you needed a phone with a tracking app on. So yeah... complain about that, and be grouped with the flatearthers.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by swiley »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #32
mrtksn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we can assume that anything technologically feasible for surveillance is implemented or pending implementation. There were some suggestions that the push for 5G comes from the desire to improve location tracking which is much better on 5G.

This has been the conclusion I've been dragged kicking and screaming to over the last couple of years myself. - If it's not FOSS it's spyware - If it's got a camera it's probably going to a datacenter to run facial recognition and/or ALPR or similar - If it requires a login they are modeling your behavior

Wear a mask and/or hat and sunglasses when outside

Don't drive

Don't carry a cell phone (if you're worried about emergencies, HAM licenses and 2M radios are cheap.)

Don't use non-free software

Don't use hosted centralized technology from Facebook and Google or similar.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by thaufeki »

TchoBeer wrote: post #41
NonContro wrote: post #35

If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

>Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit ... Interesting how COVID has killed more people than the "projected" (though how confident these projections are, who knows) number. And of course, that's with us taking stricter precautions than some of the suggestions.

Assuming cause of death data is accurate of course.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by shapefrog »

thaufeki wrote: post #49
TchoBeer wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit ... Interesting how COVID has killed more people than the "projected" (though how confident these projections are, who knows) number. And of course, that's with us taking stricter precautions than some of the suggestions.

Assuming cause of death data is accurate of course.

Assuming that the years is currently 2021 and not 1985. Assuming the people existed in the first place. Assuming they are even dead.
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