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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy.

For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons.

This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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post #95

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My answer is to not worry about it and be glad that these practices lower prices.

What if they don't actually lower prices, but use your purchase history to learn what gets you to spend more money?

In Canada, 'price discrimination' is a criminal offence. Cuz you know, if something is anti-consumer and impacts rich people, strong laws will be written against it.

But there's many ways around it.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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post #55

Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

I hate the idea of facial recognition tech being used like this but I really don’t mind loyalty cards/using credit cards to track spending as long as the data is only used by the stores themselves (and not also sold wholesale to the highest bidders, which I bet it is).

I think it’s fair for them to gather analytics on spending habits and use it to make decisions on how to stock their store, run promotions, etc. Same for personalized coupons. Feels weird, but is pretty harmless, and I’m pretty sure they’re just trying to get you to try new things (like for me, beyond meat) so you start regularly purchasing it.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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post #116

I'm honestly perplexed by the discussion here. Why should I care that a grocery store is using this? They already have camera systems - what is it about feeding that data into a facial recognition algorithm that is so awful? They want to identify who their customers are and already do a good job of it with loyalty cards. I often have to show my ID when I buy beer. I'm in a public place where I have no expectation of…

2025: Why should I care if a grocery has my DNA and fingerprints? They already have facial recognition and a record of everything I ever bought, it's not like they are sharing it with anyone.

Also 2025: Why should I care if my gym has facial recognition technology?

2026: Why should I care if a grocery shares my DNA and entire purchase history with my insurance provider? It's not like I'm obese. I go to the gym.

2027: Why should I care that my insurance provider has DNA sequencing technology, my entire purchase history from every grocery store ever, my gym history, my driving history, my family history, a record of my health and fitness habits? I'm healthy.

2030: I suddenly have $500,000 in health bills because my health insurance provider dropped me 1 week before I had a sudden heart attack and presented 400 pages of evidence to the judge that it was justified based on the policy violations they repeatedly caught me doing. I guess I didn't read the fine print! I guess I shouldn't have smoked that one cigarette outside the bar when I was drunk that night, or have gotten drunk in the first place. And that burger on the fourth of July. I agree, in hindsight, that was over the line. All those premiums, and they drop me the second I am no longer profitable to them! But they're a business, they provide a valuable service to people who couldn't otherwise afford healtchare, so...

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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post #116

I'm honestly perplexed by the discussion here. Why should I care that a grocery store is using this? They already have camera systems - what is it about feeding that data into a facial recognition algorithm that is so awful? They want to identify who their customers are and already do a good job of it with loyalty cards. I often have to show my ID when I buy beer. I'm in a public place where I have no expectation of…

> I run into my neighbors in the grocery store and say Hi.

There is a considerable difference between low data density, person to person, information... and high density, machine gathered, massive data stores. The later is much easier and more likely to be used for nefarious purposes.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#136

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I know the bag check isn't the focus here, but I always just politely decline. After I've paid, I own whatever is in those bags and no, you can't look in them.

You can just decline in stores that anyone is allowed to just walk in and shop, but at places that you need a membership for, your membership contract usually requires that you let them look.

my friend employs the sunglasses and headphones technique where blatantly ignore them. They can't touch you, so they just shout a few times, and realize the futility and move on to the next shopper.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#137

Wait till it can ID shoplifting, and people get added to a shared database of blacklisted shoppers. You can steal no problem, but one day you'll be approached and asked to leave upon entering almost anywhere.

This is only bad if there is no way to appeal such a decision. If implemented well this is probably a good thing. Shoplifting raises prices/reduces availability for shoppers who don’t shoplift (yes, it lowers profit too. It does both).

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#138
post #81

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WiFi calling doesn’t use the device’s VPN settings? Even if it doesn’t, the poster said they also use a router VPN.

The phone number itself is linked to them in someway. Paying for your physical device in cash is meaningless if you’re gonna connect to internet you own and use credit cards, etc to operate it.

I think that’s definitely true in some countries but not all. For example, you can buy burner phone numbers (prepaid) in the United States without presenting ID.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#139
post #116

I'm honestly perplexed by the discussion here. Why should I care that a grocery store is using this? They already have camera systems - what is it about feeding that data into a facial recognition algorithm that is so awful? They want to identify who their customers are and already do a good job of it with loyalty cards. I often have to show my ID when I buy beer. I'm in a public place where I have no expectation of…

> I run into my neighbors in the grocery store and say Hi. There is a considerable difference between low data density, person to person, information... and high density, machine gathered, massive data stores. The later is much easier and more likely to be used for nefarious purposes.

I understand that but stores have been storing this sort of customer data for decades now and what nefarious things have come of it?

Nobody cares that I bought milk and eggs last week, they won't care two decades from now.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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post #57

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I did no threatening or revenge, and you should definitely retract that statement.

You made a scene, while intentionally avoiding saying anything that could be construed as a threat (which is generally an attempt at subtle threatening), and you hope that you shook him up. To remove that part: you hope that you shook up a local business owner for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

Why so much respect for someone just because they're a business owner?

Sounds more like someone liked surveillance but got shaken up by sousveillance.

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