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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Whoever builds a wearable “sparkler” that is able to disrupt digital cameras or the underlying tech in a way that doesn’t require the user to wear a large scarf or similar is going to really usher in an interesting part of history.

AFAIK those only work because cheap cameras lack IR filters, for both cost-cutting and night-vision reasons. More advanced cameras have IR filters, rendering such devices useless.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Pay cash, wear a hat and a mask in store, decline to give them PII. It’s a pretty simple and effective solution.

But then don't I become that guy from the xkcd comic whose license plate is all 1s and Is?

Don't drive. You have to register your vehicle with the state and your current address.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Walmart makes this rather obvious. I was walking down a medicine aisle the other day, and I looked up and saw my face on a screen with green lines outlining it.

Last time I was in a Walmart, it felt like they were doing everything they could to communicate they didn't want me to shop at their store. * Gates at the main entrances * Cameras everywhere * "Security" walking through the store in clearly marked uniforms * Self checkouts with UX that clearly communicates a lack of trust.

In my experience, this is not a general Walmart policy, it is store-specific. Not too long ago I was looking for a product that only Walmart seems to keep in stock, but they don't keep much of it. And their online system is not very accurate. So in the space of two hours I visited four different Walmarts, ranging from one in a nicer area of town, to one in a poor area. Security was nonexistent at the first Walmart. The store was relaxed, there were plenty of associates, they were helpful, etc. The store was actually pretty nice, the only thing out of place was the weirdly low prices compared to any other store in that area. At the other end of the scale, the store in the poor area (which is also majority black, whether or not this is actually a factor in their behavior I can only speculate) had a half dozen security cars in the parking lot with their little flashing yellow lights. Gates at the entrance manned with security personnel, uniformed security inside the store. And the icing on the cake? They were checking 9 out of 10 people's bags on the way out of the store, sort of like Costco. Except me. Waived me right on through. Because I'm not black? I have no idea. But it sure did weird me out.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Well, suppose they became aware. Then what?

I tried telling random adults on the main street in my University town that Target was using non-disclosed facial recognition, about four years ago, for a while. The rate of response was less than half for people to show concern. I also somewhat-randomly discovered a local "facial aware" security system installer at the coffee shop. Once he noticed I was asking pointed questions about consent, he changed his tone and…

Surprising that these tactics did not work.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#75

So which retailers are doing this?

From this list [0]: Albertson's, H.E.B., Macy's, and Apple at the moment, and there's a whole list of companies that said they might use it in the future.

EDIT: elsewhere in these comments someone stated that Apple does not use facial recognition.

[0] https://www.banfacialrecognition.com/stores/#scorecard

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Then we can stop going to stores and shop more online, since another upside of bricks-and-mortar is gone.

Or show up in one of those anti face recognition masks whenever you go shopping.

You've kind of been handed a readymade excuse to obscure half your face at all times. One of the big ironies of the 1/6 event that people were so committed to masklessness as a political statement that they filmed themselves commiting crimes without obscuring their faces.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?

It's not about inconvenience or efficiency. It's the hostile signaling Walmart is communicating to their customers. I go to the Target just down the street, and it's the exact opposite experience.

Home Depot does this now, and it's starting to alienate me. They are conveniently located, but in various places in the stores (presumably in the areas where commonly shoplifted products are kept), they have cameras with screens and as you walk by they ding at you so you'll notice they are recording.

I don't like getting treated that way, so I've started shopping more often at Lowes, even though it takes a couple minutes longer to get there.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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What’s the point of a smart phone if you only have WiFi and no gps?

WiFi calling

Still need to be in WiFi range for that… 90% of smartphone things are better on a computer, only convenience makes ppl use the smartphone, but a big part of that convenience is mobile service and GPS. Take that out and you may as well get a dumb phone and use your laptop for everything else.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

My answer is to not worry about it and be glad that these practices lower prices.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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This is common the world over. What is not common the world over is that there is this thing called exceptionalism which America uses to tell itself that they are the good guys in everything they do and in general better at everything they do. This is something I haven't experienced anywhere else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

I have never heard any politician here say "British people are x" or that "British people feel y". In America such expressions appear in almost every speech. Likewise for news headlines etc. In the UK the title would be "customers not aware" and the like. This is to give the (correct) impression that the entire nation has in no way been united by this fact. But in the US it seems more common to use terminology that l…

>I have never heard any politician here say "British people are x" or that "British people feel y".

You haven't? Here's some speeches I found using "uk prime minister speech":

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49102495

>British people have had enough of waiting.

>Brexit was a fundamental decision by the British people [...]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-leader-speech-...

>It will leave the British people wondering [...]

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