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Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by ConstantineXVI »

technomancy wrote: post #71
tobylane wrote: post #65

There are plenty of (insert absolutely any apple product here)-killers that are loudly touted by the manufacturer, and any apple-hater that we have never heard of since. Do we whinge that there hasn't been more proof that the iphone/etc are best? Silence isn't incriminating, it's silence. How open is Honeycomb, or Ice Cream?

> How open is Honeycomb, or Ice Cream? Do you have any idea how much crap they are getting for that? People made a stink, and they learned their lesson.

Honeycomb remains a closed source system. ICS is still unpublished in any form; Google's claimed that it will be open source, but (as with FaceTime) words mean nothing until they're backed up with action. I'm not ready to say they've "learned their lesson" until they've actually /done/ something about it.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by saturdaysaint »

This strikes me as an affront to Jobs' integrity a little more severe than his failure to deliver a white iPhone in a timely manner. In other words, this author is going to need to write an article of PG-level insight before I read another word of his. This is almost as bad as the "5 reasons why exercise makes our startup awesomer" guys.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by hamedh »

trout wrote: post #74
varunsrin wrote: post #9

' “Open” isn’t just a buzz word. People like the word “open”. Marketers love it. ' A very valid point, everyone these days in jumping on the open bandwagon. This problem isn't limited to just Apple unfortunately - several companies have been guilty of twisting open to suit their needs (HTC not releasing some modified Android code which was under GPL a while ago, and Google not releasing the Honeycomb source come to m…

What I heard on the Google/Honeycomb was that they released it earlier than intended. Part of it was the Xoom driving it, some was to compete with iPads, but it wasn't so much of a planned release. Google actually requires you to sign a license agreement if you want to release a 3.0 device, from which I've heard, requires for you to not change your hardware for X years. The next release, 3.1 Ice Cream Sandwich, is th…

3.1 is still honeycomb, they haven't announced the version for ice cream sandwich still i think

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by holman »

garbageInnerLo wrote: post #80

The author of this blog post is a known loud-mouth, a know-it-all, yet wrong 99% of the time. There's got to be a way to block these ignorant kids and their bullshit, ignorant blog posts. They are stuck in a 12-year-old mindset, and don't know why the tech world operates like it does. Seriously... look at all of his bullshit blog postings. I'm glad he's focused on that, instead of using his stupidity to harm others.…

You in San Francisco? I'd love to buy you a beer and talk about myself. Serious offer.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by zyb09 »

juliano_q wrote: post #87
zyb09 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this fucking Scientology, where we replace the meaning of words with their opposites?! The fact that Apple is the only provider of FaceTime software and it's only available on Mac and iOS means it's proprietary. Jobs said they're going make it an open standard. They didn't. There's no third party client, there's no FaceTime for Windows or Android.

I was being ironic.

oh ok didn't sound like it, you never know with the Apple cultists around here

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by Getahobby »

podperson wrote: post #89
ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

I think it's interesting that Steve Jobs has earned this much credit with most of us (I think most). He has a history of saying stuff that is either clearly true at the time or turns out to have been surprisingly frank in hindsight. My guess is he was shooting from the hip and then discovered that it was a much bigger pain in the ass than he realized.

The right thing to do when you make a promise without fully thinking it through is to still follow through with it, no matter how big of a pain in the ass it turns out to be. This is how people (should) learn to keep their mouth shut and stop over promising and under delivering. Jobs is not one to over promise so this instance is interesting.

edit: wow, lots of grammar errors.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by donaq »

jsz0 wrote: post #90

Most people have a motive for lying. I don't really see that here. What does Apple have to gain by suggesting FaceTime would be an open standard? Did lines of people show up to buy iPhones because FaceTime would be an open standard? I doubt it. Quite the opposite I think. If you could only FaceTime between iOS devices (and Macs) that might be a competitive advantage. My guess is they simply calculated it was not wort…

Well, the motivation is not the issue here, is it? Nor is whether opening FaceTime is a competitive advantage. The issue for the author is that a promise was broken.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by sigzero »

Getahobby wrote: post #97
podperson wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's interesting that Steve Jobs has earned this much credit with most of us (I think most). He has a history of saying stuff that is either clearly true at the time or turns out to have been surprisingly frank in hindsight. My guess is he was shooting from the hip and then discovered that it was a much bigger pain in the ass than he realized.

The right thing to do when you make a promise without fully thinking it through is to still follow through with it, no matter how big of a pain in the ass it turns out to be. This is how people (should) learn to keep their mouth shut and stop over promising and under delivering. Jobs is not one to over promise so this instance is interesting. edit: wow, lots of grammar errors.

A business cannot run that way.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by vl »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

"Ryan forgot to take the trash out" wouldn't get many clicks, while "Ryan lies to his wife" can enjoy some traffic for few days.
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