LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested • Hacker News Board

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by atomicdog » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 9:50 AM UTC

mdisraeli wrote: post #89

pyre wrote: post #56

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It's not unreasonable to suspect that a user in the Shetlands Isles might have had a POP in Sweden, or use of a connection in Sweden to host a remote box with a better connection than available to them normally.

Well he can probably see Sweden from his house!

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by ryana » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 1:09 PM UTC

pvarangot wrote: post #71

colinplamondon wrote: post #10

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Hacktivists? These guys are breaking into private companies and stealing property. They're criminals .

> They're criminals. So was Martin Luther King. The civil rights movement has been historically full of criminals. Lets question the legitimacy of all their claims!

Martin Luther King also put didn't hide from the authorities and voluntarily went to jail out of belief for his ideas.

Lulz puts as much effort in to remaining anonymous as anything and, it would seem the consensus opinion here, folds like paper houses when they get caught. I didn't see MLK Jr trying to negotiate a sentence down by selling out the rest of his leadership. Instead, he actually accepted prison time rather than pay a fine because he truly believed in what he doing.

Not quite an equal comparison.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by gdcbyers » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 9:21 PM UTC

burgerbrain wrote: post #94

gdcbyers wrote: post #49

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I agree to the defined terms, and further purpose hacktivist is an activist who's chosen/preferred method is "technology", be it illegally accessing private systems, or building nifty robots out of servos and shit. But, what cause or idea have they furthered? Computer security? Social injustices? Tax evasion by corporate amarica? I can't find one other then their own personal enjoyment. I can not point to a single ac…

An activist need not be an effective activist to still be an activist. PETA nailing people with red paint on the street is incredibly counter-productive to their cause. Hell, it probably actually increases sales of fur. They are still however activists.

You again, eh?

No, they aren't. Lets review the definition.

"An activist is a rigidly-defined term meaning an entity which acts to further some idea and bring it to public perception."

If you agree that PETA's red paint stunts are counter-productive, how can you then turn around and argue that the same red paint stunt is furthering (is productive) to the cause?

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by jamesaguilar » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 1:44 AM UTC

burgerbrain wrote: post #100

jamesaguilar wrote: post #97

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No.

Care to explain? Or are you just here to troll? I see that we are keeping this classy. Why am I not surprised?

On the one hand, I don't feel too bad for trolling you, since your comment basically glorifies the same activity. Lulz and all that.

On the other hand, I feel that you should understand why your comment is not smart. "X bad/useless activity is better than Y bad/useless activity, therefore X is ok" is always a stupid argument.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Post by burgerbrain » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:38 AM UTC

Tsagadai wrote: post #105

burgerbrain wrote: post #95

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Civil disobedience is only one of many forms of activism. The people who ran the underground railroad were in no hurry to make their identities known. Where they any less activists for it? An arrested hacker activist is a hacker in activist. Expecting them to allow themselves to become arrested is absurd.

Actually, forcing arrests is a very effective form of civil disobedience. One of the most effective civil disobedience campaigns I have seen was one that aimed to poke holes in wide and loosely defined laws being used by police for openly racist reasons (that is, we don't like your kind here). Some states in Australia have laws that can be used to arrest almost anyone for very little reason. For example, public nuisa…

Forced arrests only work when the system/population deep down realize how absurd the arrest really is. The courts will happily throw as many "hackers" as there can possibly be into the slammer. Hell, the prison industrial complex has actually made this profitable.