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Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by raxxorrax »

prof-dr-ir wrote: post #241
jsnell wrote: post #211

Why exactly are we believing the author's claims? The link on the supposed "2.0" announcement on mandatory CSAM scanning leads to no such annoucement. Nor does any of the other 50 links on the page, as far as I can tell.

If you have been following this site for a while then you know that it is a truth universally acknowledged (well - on HN), that the EU wants to "ban encryption". I keep having the same question as you, and will refrain from joining the pitchfork party until I see actual proof.

I don't believe they want to ban encryption in the end. But I think it is prudent to make that accusation. This is politics after all.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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1337shadow wrote: post #253
effie wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people need more security coming from the state in EU? /rhetorical question

I, for one, have been assaulted with my children, by a guy they took a year to hopefully catch and put in jail, where he currently stays, I even have videos of the guy on youtube if you want to see him, he really looks like a nazi except without the teeth which he lost consuming crack. I hope this won't be your case, living in fear with your children for a year is a bad experience, not to mention the hospital and seq…

I am sorry for you and your children, I am sure your perspective is colored by such an event.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by raxxorrax »

rednum wrote: post #123
fulafel wrote: post #103

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Systems don't become inaccessible from the EU because of GDPR, there's no great firewall of europe that would make that happen. But depending on circumstances, you could still get fined for violations even if you aren't situated in EU.

> there's no great firewall of europe Not yet, but it seems someone is thinking about one, see: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/6487...

Authors: FutureCandy - They want to solve CSAM? I might have a tip for them.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by effie »

fabbari wrote: post #248
effie wrote: post #205

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No that is a wrong analogy. The correct analogy to not participating in the vote would be: I would say "there shouldn't be any pizza party vote, because the options all suck, and I do not want any pizza, everybody go home". If more than 50% of people in the room say that, the pizza party vote is illegitimate.

Nope - that's not correct: saying "there shouldn't be any pizza party" is a vote! If more than 50% of the people invited at the party say: "We should actually get salad!" - then, guess what? You would get salad. Being silent - not voting - is NOT the same as voting against something. Not even close. If the real reason for why over 50% of the people don't vote was because they don't like any of the parties then they c…

Wow those are some assumptions.

> Being silent - not voting - is NOT the same as voting against something.

I never said it always is. However not voting does not mean being silent. I explained this in my analogy where most of the people said not interested in the pizza.

Similarly people who are vocal about politics in their life, online, participate in political fights in workplace, whether individually or through unions, other creative activities and so on are already participating in democratic processes. They are already not silent. The fact that some of them do not participate in a given vote they don't like does not diminish that.

> then they could join up and create an alternative. But this is not what happens.

Of course it happens, in general. Maybe you mean that in your country it does not happen, or it does happen but not everybody who does not vote is involved in that. So what? There are other ways to participate in democratic processes which I mentioned above.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by longtom »

hnbad wrote: post #327
longtom wrote: post #155

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> 40% of CP investigations in Germany are started against minors This in particular seems like such a silly outcome of over-regulation and bureaucracy. Amazing. Research suggests most child sexual abuse does not have much of a long-term effect at all: https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/A-replicatio... This (of course!) does not mean it is good or should be done, but it suggests this is not an urgent issu…

You're arguing that child sexual abuse is "no that bad" by citing a guy whose "research papers" include gems like * The left-liberal skew of Western media * What Happened to Brussels? The Big Decline and Muslim Immigration * Mental illness and the left * Human Biodiversity for Beginners: A Review of Charles Murray's Human Diversity * Race Differences: A Very Brief Review * Racial and ethnic group differences in the h…

The study is not by him. I wasn't even aware who hosted it; I only found this link somewhere on the web and thought it might be relevant.
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