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Post by the-dude »

argvargc wrote: post #193
the-dude wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another question : Ruptly is reporting live on these protests in Paris and Berlin on YT weekly now. Are they part of the censorship? Is there something they are not showing?

They exclusively follow the edge of the police line and mostly focuses on them throughout. Typically therefore, coverage shows limited numbers of people, and most of any violence that occurs. But, it's better than nothing, and at least documents who started what. In the case of Berlin recently, it was particularly shocking.

I see them walking embedded in the crowds in Paris. They tend to follow the action if a particular place 'dies out'.

> it was particularly shocking.

Why so vague?

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Post by dmos62 »

Zenst wrote: post #158
dmos62 wrote: post #97

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I chuckled when you said "the right people". Like, there's the right people, and then what's left. Get it? Right and left. Puns.

The whole polarization of political issues into right and left is and always will distract from the issues being debated and more so, ends up derailing any debate and discourse about the issues as they get drowned out by the labels. Very easy to label something right wing or left wing to distract from the issue at debate and it has become very much a political tool in much the same way the "think of the children" car…

You get no argument from me. I just really enjoyed the pun.

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Post by effie »

masswerk wrote: post #42
effie wrote: post #13

It's agendas like these when you realize submitting your country laws to legislation from Brusel was a fatal error.

However, the problem is usually the European Council and not the Commission or the Parliament. Meaning, it's still the countries…

Any examples? At least the Council has people with mandate from the countries...

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Post by hesk »

Telemakhos wrote: post #195
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #179

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False. Even when it does use PGP, it is meaningless, explanation: I just created a spare protonmail account. It asked me to pick a username and password, and my account is created. Next, I send there a message from my other account. Yes, on the receiving end it does write "End-to-end encrypted and signed message", but encrypted and signed by what exactly? I have never created a PGP keys and loaded the public key to P…

Someone once explained to me that any webmail service is inherently able to read your mail: otherwise it could not display your mail to you. True end-to-end encryption means keeping your private keys client-side and the client on a computer over which you have full physical control.

AFIAK, Protonmail private keys are kept client-side. They are decrypted by the password inside the browser UI.

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Post by effie »

fabbari wrote: post #189
effie wrote: post #152

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> You don't get to complain when you decide not to participate in the democratic process. You can complain either way. Not participating means you are not participating, and is a kind of a vote too. If <50% people vote, then the vote is arguably illegitimate.

"If That's not how a democracy works. Unless you're forcibly prevented from voting - or are denied the right to - that's not the case. It is not an illegitimate vote if you decide not to vote. In the EU Parliament elections it's just people deciding not to vote. As you yourself said: "is a kind of a vote too". Let me make a practical example: we are having a pizza party and we have a vote for what pizza to order, you…

No that is a wrong analogy. The correct analogy to not participating in the vote would be: I would say "there shouldn't be any pizza party vote, because the options all suck, and I do not want any pizza, everybody go home".

If more than 50% of people in the room say that, the pizza party vote is illegitimate.

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Post by effie »

dTal wrote: post #197
effie wrote: post #182

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No, where is the contradiction?

The EU is either - an unstoppable authoritarian juggernaut to which countries have foolishly ceded their sovereignty and are now paying the price in the form of draconian regulation - a weak and ineffectual symbolic union which issues empty proclamations that countries are free to ignore without consequence Which is it?

False dichotomy. It can be both, depending on the issue. This is similar to U.S., although U.S. is much stronger on the federal level than EU is.

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Post by scrollaway »

thegrimmest wrote: post #164
MauranKilom wrote: post #151

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"So if they want to kill all the Jews, what's the problem? It's their country and they can do whatever they want with it." Creating laws based on popularity makes populism rule. Hence why democracy usually has an explicit legislative branch abstracting over individual sentiments. That helps prevent policy from being devised through an overly greedy algorithm. That is not to say it prevents all these problems. But it…

Well, the difference is that you're within your rights when you vote on whom to admit to your house/town/country. You're not within your rights to round up people already there and gas them. Let's not compare the two.

The parent comments are talking about direct democracy and its tendencies in Switzerland. Not specific policies (for you see, such extremes haven't come up for voting there lately). Perfectly comparable.

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Post by sundvor »

rory wrote: post #119
anfelor wrote: post #98

The scary thing about this is that many people have images that look like child porn at home: Family photos of naked grandchildren playing at the sea or in the mud, as well as sexting between consenting teenagers. There is no way automatic classification can distinguish these from real child porn, because they look almost identical and thus many private pictures will be shared with the government. This not only infri…

Hey, at least we'll be able to "solve" the "problem" of sexts between youths by having a bunch of middle aged men rifle through them.

Jesus, yep. Big "Brother", always watching. What lives can we destroy today?

Privacy is being hit hard now, on multiple fronts - it's very sad, scary.

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

hesk wrote: post #204
Telemakhos wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone once explained to me that any webmail service is inherently able to read your mail: otherwise it could not display your mail to you. True end-to-end encryption means keeping your private keys client-side and the client on a computer over which you have full physical control.

AFIAK, Protonmail private keys are kept client-side. They are decrypted by the password inside the browser UI.

No. I just logged in to that very same account using different browser on a different computer. The email was displayed just fine.

Protonmail keeps generated public and private keys on their servers.

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