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Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by jasonlotito »

ethank wrote: post #21
buster wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, on a more serious note: Why isn't there a website for all those massive marketing lies about every company throws at the customers, it's sickening.

Sickening? ITS MARKETING. The promise that something will make your life better is rarely true, but we deceive ourselves into thinking so because it helps fulfill the prophecy being told.

There is a difference between saying "FaceTime is awesome!" and "We’re going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard."

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by [deleted] »

jasonlotito wrote: post #31
ethank wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sickening? ITS MARKETING. The promise that something will make your life better is rarely true, but we deceive ourselves into thinking so because it helps fulfill the prophecy being told.

There is a difference between saying "FaceTime is awesome!" and "We’re going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard."

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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by wtracy »

jm4 wrote: post #25

I'm genuinely curious why it even matters whether it's open or not. I get that he said it would be open and now it's not. But beyond that why does it even matter? I can use Tango, Qik, Skype, etc. I think there's an iOS app out there that does Google Talk video. They are even easier because I don't have to explain to my parents how to connect the phone to wifi. Maybe with the proliferation of all these other video ch…

None of them inter-operate. So, when you have a friend on Tango, a friend on Qik, and a friend on Skype, you have to install Tango, Qik and Skype.

We don't have a single protocol for everyone to standardize on, and we don't even have enough access to the various protocols to build a Trillian-like client that supports everything.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by xnxn »

ethank wrote: post #19
[deleted] wrote: post #5

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I don't think that a calculated decision not to deliver something indicates that he lied in the moment. Its faulty logic. It means that he set out to deceive rather than made a mistake, spoke too soon, didn't consult with his team or whatever the case may be. Downvote away, but its true. What may be a lie after the fact was not a lie in situ.

The downvotes probably indicate that you should have posted this instead of a weak snowclone; take them and learn from them.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by Bud »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #6
[deleted] wrote: post #5

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I don't understand. What logic is faulty? Steve made a statement and hasn't followed through, over a year later. That sounds like a lie to me. It's not like he said "We might look into interoperability" or something, it's pretty damn cut and dry from the quote. I remember being giddy about it. Now I'm giddy about WebRTC instead.

What you're choosing not to understand is the operative definition of "lie":

lie [lahy] noun, verb, lied, ly·ing. –noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by iron_ball »

rdl wrote: post #28

I might care more if I'd ever actually observed someone using FaceTime. I have 3 MacBooks, an iPad, an iPhone 4, my coworkers and girlfriend and friends have FaceTime compatible devices too, but I've never seen anyone use it. Maybe they don't open it because it is a dead product.

If people did use it, it would be a competitive advantage. "FaceTime, an enchanted service that changes your life. Only on iStuff."

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by jm4 »

wtracy wrote: post #33
jm4 wrote: post #25

I'm genuinely curious why it even matters whether it's open or not. I get that he said it would be open and now it's not. But beyond that why does it even matter? I can use Tango, Qik, Skype, etc. I think there's an iOS app out there that does Google Talk video. They are even easier because I don't have to explain to my parents how to connect the phone to wifi. Maybe with the proliferation of all these other video ch…

None of them inter-operate. So, when you have a friend on Tango, a friend on Qik, and a friend on Skype, you have to install Tango, Qik and Skype. We don't have a single protocol for everyone to standardize on, and we don't even have enough access to the various protocols to build a Trillian-like client that supports everything.

That makes sense, but opening up Facetime doesn't necessarily solve that problem. It has to be open and all these video chat vendors have to decide to embrace it, possibly abandoning years of investment in their own protocol.

In general, I prefer open protocols and standards. I'm just not sure opening Facetime meets any pressing demands of consumers. I suspect this is a matter of not wanting to allocate resources to something no one is asking for. I can't say I'd blame Apple for that decision if it is, in fact, the case.

I'm a new iPhone user so I haven't necessarily kept up to date with App Store developments until recently, but I believe that prior to Facetime Apple was a bit reluctant to approve video chat apps. Maybe that played into the announcement to open it up.

If people start clamoring for open video chat standards I'm sure someone will step up to the plate.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by smackfu »

jasongullickson wrote: post #26

What are your thoughts on this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facetime#Standards It would appear that FaceTime is built on top of open standards, is Steve more explicit than that in the original presentation (for example, does he say that access to Apple's FaceTime servers will be available openly, etc.)?

There is a direct quote in the article that says they will be taking it to the standards body.
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