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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by varunsrin » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 7:52 PM UTC

ugh wrote: post #3

digipen79 wrote: post #2

You have a great point, sir, and Apple (along with other companies) does need to be called out when they say they will allow the general user access to something and they do not put it into practice. What can we do about it, though?

Whatever gain (if any) they had from claiming that FaceTime would become an open industry standard must certainly dwarfed by the embarrassment of being unable to actually make that happen. Or, to put it another way, had Steve Jobs known that their attempt of making FaceTime an open industry standard would fail (for whatever reason) he would never have said that Apple wants FaceTime to become open. It just wouldn’t ma…

Do you really think that a company with the engineering talent that Apple has couldn't make an existing standard open? More than likely, it was something else that took higher priority (improving performance, version 2.0, supporting OS upgrades etc) and standardizing FaceTime took a backseat to these other needs

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by andrewpi » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 7:54 PM UTC

The lack of any apparent activity regarding an open FaceTime protocol is pretty annoying. Has anyone emailed Steve to ask what the holdup is?

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by mrkurt » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 7:55 PM UTC

ugh wrote: post #3

digipen79 wrote: post #2

You have a great point, sir, and Apple (along with other companies) does need to be called out when they say they will allow the general user access to something and they do not put it into practice. What can we do about it, though?

Whatever gain (if any) they had from claiming that FaceTime would become an open industry standard must certainly dwarfed by the embarrassment of being unable to actually make that happen. Or, to put it another way, had Steve Jobs known that their attempt of making FaceTime an open industry standard would fail (for whatever reason) he would never have said that Apple wants FaceTime to become open. It just wouldn’t ma…

I dunno, they got a great deal of press when they announced FaceTime, and a huge amount of it harped on the "open standard" feature. A year later, no one really cares. It's not an embarrassment. It's a shrug.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by ryanisinallofus » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 7:58 PM UTC

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?"

Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight."

Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied."

Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot?

I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume his were true. Maybe the team pushed back? Maybe he just changed his mind? Maybe they are still working on it?

"Steve Jobs Lies" just attracts allot more clicks I guess than "A Year Later, FaceTime is Still Just A Tech Demo."

I would have preferred the later.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by masklinn » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:00 PM UTC

varunsrin wrote: post #9

' “Open” isn’t just a buzz word. People like the word “open”. Marketers love it. ' A very valid point, everyone these days in jumping on the open bandwagon. This problem isn't limited to just Apple unfortunately - several companies have been guilty of twisting open to suit their needs (HTC not releasing some modified Android code which was under GPL a while ago, and Google not releasing the Honeycomb source come to m…

> several companies have been guilty of twisting open to suit their needs

Not just companies. Many individual are wont to try and blend "open" into "open source" or "free software", which as far as computer standards go, is at best revisionism.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by emehrkay » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:02 PM UTC

buster wrote: post #7

buster wrote: post #4

one cent for every lie, and i'd be millionaire by now.. (this had to be said and will be worth the massive downvotes)

Also, on a more serious note: Why isn't there a website for all those massive marketing lies about every company throws at the customers, it's sickening.

Sounds like a weekend project. Add rankings and this site could actually change shit

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by bheemboy » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:03 PM UTC

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

> I would have preferred the later.

Sure, but then no one will read it. Sensational headlines is the way the internet rolls.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by buster » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:05 PM UTC

emehrkay wrote: post #16

buster wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, on a more serious note: Why isn't there a website for all those massive marketing lies about every company throws at the customers, it's sickening.

Sounds like a weekend project. Add rankings and this site could actually change shit

i am actually just searching for a domain right now

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by ethank » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:05 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #5

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I don't think that a calculated decision not to deliver something indicates that he lied in the moment. Its faulty logic. It means that he set out to deceive rather than made a mistake, spoke too soon, didn't consult with his team or whatever the case may be.

Downvote away, but its true. What may be a lie after the fact was not a lie in situ.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by ethank » Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 8:06 PM UTC

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

Yeah well, that's what I said by the logic being faulty and got nicely down voted.