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Post by dang »

jonathankoren wrote: post #416
janeroe wrote: post #391

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We are looking at it from different perspectives. You from the central planner's one. I'm from the position of an acting person, someone who doesn't believe anyone owes them anything, but at the same time preferring to keep what's earned. Someone who's not bought into redistribution programs that spend $4 to redistribute each $1 (actual research for the US), or any involuntary redistribution schemes for that matter.…

You are putting a lot of words in my mouth and speaking with a lot of assumed authority for someone that just admitted that they don’t understand and most influential public policy in a more than a generation. It is the central economic dogma of a major political party. I find this doubly ironic because you go on to spout positions congruent with that party. Get off Parler, or whatever and read a history book, becaus…

You have a long history of posting flamewar comments to this site and of seriously breaking the site guidelines. We've asked you repeatedly to stop, and you're still doing it. If you keep doing it, we will ban you. No more of this, please.

If you don't want to be banned on HN, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, use the site as intended from now on, and drop the ideological warfare please. (No, we don't care which ideology you like or dislike. Either way, it destroys what this site is supposed to be for.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by dang »

janeroe wrote: post #420
jonathankoren wrote: post #416

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You are putting a lot of words in my mouth and speaking with a lot of assumed authority for someone that just admitted that they don’t understand and most influential public policy in a more than a generation. It is the central economic dogma of a major political party. I find this doubly ironic because you go on to spout positions congruent with that party. Get off Parler, or whatever and read a history book, becaus…

What an entitled moron you're. I'm not even from the States. Do you expect everyone on the planet Earth to learn policies of your government. That'd be too much honor.

We've asked you before to stop posting flamewar comments and using HN for ideological battle. If you keep doing it, we will ban you. No more of this, please.

Actually you're way, way over the bannable line already but I don't want to ban you and not the other person when as far as this thread goes you were behaving equally badly. If you don't want to be banned on HN, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, use the site as intended from now on, and drop the ideological warfare please. (No, we don't care which ideology you like or dislike. Either way, it destroys what this site is supposed to be for.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by rayiner »

nate_meurer wrote: post #477
rayiner wrote: post #471

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Wokeness is relevant because of the aversion to doing things that are seen as compromising with systemic racism . Wokeness is uniquely willing to compromise traditional professional ethics in service of perceived higher morality. In journalism it manifests as abandoning the appearance of impartiality. E.g. the “do we call Trump racist” debate at the NYT. As an aside, in the legal profession, it’s probably the most mo…

It's a lot more than gossip. Ira Glasser (founder of the ACLU for those who are not rayiner) says the organization is at risk of losing its way for exactly this reason: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/14/the-aclu-would-not-...

It goes deeper. I’m talking about younger staff at public interest law firms rebelling against representing organizational clients squarely within the ambit of their public interest mission, because of the client’s positions on unrelated issues. Much to the consternation of stoutly liberal attorneys of the previous generation.

It’s bad. Professionals inserting their personal political views into their jobs is destroying public faith in other professions. We can’t risk the legal profession coming to be seen as yet another way for the liberal elite to tilt the very systems of society in favor of their political ideology.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #483
nate_meurer wrote: post #477

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It's a lot more than gossip. Ira Glasser (founder of the ACLU for those who are not rayiner) says the organization is at risk of losing its way for exactly this reason: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/14/the-aclu-would-not-...

It goes deeper. I’m talking about younger staff at public interest law firms rebelling against representing organizational clients squarely within the ambit of their public interest mission, because of the client’s positions on unrelated issues. Much to the consternation of stoutly liberal attorneys of the previous generation. It’s bad. Professionals inserting their personal political views into their jobs is destroy…

Is your suggestion here that the legal profession has historically done a good job of keeping personal political views out of the practice of law?

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Post by da_big_ghey »

wolverine876 wrote: post #370
da_big_ghey wrote: post #323

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NYT has more than "some bias" toward liberal. It has Paul Krugman for regular opinion columnist, for starters, one article from him on today: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/opinion/inflation-infrast... But these are opinion, so examine one news story from also today: https://www.nytimes.com/article/emotional-labor.html "emotional labor" you never will hear outside of very leftwing area, same with use of term like…

> NYT has more than "some bias" toward liberal. It has Paul Krugman for regular opinion columnist They have opinion columnists from the entire spectrum. Check out the opinion page - it's got everything, and in pretty good balance, from (pretty) far right to (pretty) far left. > "emotional labor" you never will hear outside of very leftwing area, same with use of term like "partner" or specification of "in heterosexua…

Your assessment of "valuable ideas" being these is more bias, showing you are maybe in the NYT target demographic, so I am not surprised that you are finding coverage reasonable.

> what words should be used instead - 'marriages' would seem incorrect, not limiting it to heterosexual relationships would seem confusing.

Marriages probably the choice in other parts of the country, maybe "romantic relationships". Specify "heterosexual" is only left-wing thing, most others realize that gays are only small part and so do not bother to make mention. Saying "emotional labor often falls to the woman" would be most elegant though because it make implicit the normal man-woman scenario and avoid extra words.

> Must everything be politicized

Not in necessity but it does show significant bias on NYT. Also this is not all so much political as cultural.

> liberalism seeks change and improvement, while conservatism seeks to keep things as they are or were

You make a conflation between change and improvement, liberalism seeks the former and sometimes gets the latter. Some liberalism good and represent progress, some pointless and only change for change's sake. Example being push to use "nice words" for things every so many years. Idiot become retard become mentally handicapped become learning disabled... point here is that not every change is good change.

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Post by zapataband1 »

lettergram wrote: post #161
zapataband1 wrote: post #104

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I'll take your anecdote and tell you I never experienced anything like this from teachers in public school in IL. Conservatives aren't demonized they are just disliked because of their political party affiliation and the actions of their elected representatives. I like conservatives, I would even say I love them, but I think they have moronic brain-dead opinions especially on things like CRT that they don't understan…

“Not demonized” just “Moronic [and] brain-dead” yeah sure. Lol As I’m sure you’re aware, CRT discusses implicit bias and how to mitigate.. perhaps apply it outside of race?

Mornonic and brain-dead ___opinions___ and yes I can think you're stupid as hell and still like you

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Post by nate_meurer »

tptacek wrote: post #486
rayiner wrote: post #483

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It goes deeper. I’m talking about younger staff at public interest law firms rebelling against representing organizational clients squarely within the ambit of their public interest mission, because of the client’s positions on unrelated issues. Much to the consternation of stoutly liberal attorneys of the previous generation. It’s bad. Professionals inserting their personal political views into their jobs is destroy…

Is your suggestion here that the legal profession has historically done a good job of keeping personal political views out of the practice of law?

Regarding the ACLU specifically, that's been my impression in the past. For example, their defense of Westoboro Baptist Church during the Bush era.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Post by lordloki »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #359
lordloki wrote: post #261

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Except evidence has shown the the left has moved further left than the right has moved right. Both have moved but the left has moved further left in the US.

The need to quantify the movement and then assign blame to one side or the other based on 'movement score' misses the point I'm trying to make. Many, including possibly you based on comments so far, are enchanted with the idea that one side is correct always and another side is wrong always. I think this is the root of the problem - a meta problem where communication has broken down - because the go-to discussion tec…

I ascribe traits as "left" or "right" based on opinions that I read and hear and the expressed side of the presenter. I don't now, nor have I ever belonged to one side or the other, my beliefs and opinions don't all line up on one side or the other. I think if anyone's actually do line up 100% then they are simply a fanatic and aren't thinking for themselves.

I think the problem is twofold, political parties are followed as if they are sports teams, and due to shrinking advertising revenues the news media dishes everything with a massive helping of hyperbole. For example, which US political party has a majority of its registered votes in support of gay marriage? The answer is both, but that doesn't get acknowledged in the media.

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