Unrealistic. The UI is faster than my mac's.
Are you saying we should reimplement macOS in Electron?
No it's just that the UI is not well crafted as it used to be
macOS in Svelte
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Started writing the blog post already
Looks great!!! Link your blog?
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#133This has a ton of clever tricks in it.
https://github.com/PuruVJ/macos-web/blob/main/src/components... is the source code for the VSCode app - it actually works by adding an iframe around https://github1s.com/puruvj/macos-web
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#134Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…
Last time I tried a Linux desktop basics like high resolution support were atrocious . macOS ships solid support for these kind of basics early.
People do not use Linux Desktops because it is the ultimate comfort experience (it is not), but because they developed an awareness about how important FREEDOM is.
They use Linux _despite_ some technical problems that exist because they want full control of their OS.
Mostly these people know very well that there are shortcomings, also many of them know other computer systems very well and _still_ they use Linux because they feel it is an important choice.
I feel a little bit ashamed that I have to explain this on a website called "hacker news" because that original "hacker spirit" is what is driving most Linux users.
Your position is pure consumerism - fat cat wants everything _now_ and is not willing to think about consequences. Modern surveillance *ism, destruction of our planetary resources and fascism are all build on that mindset.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last time I tried a Linux desktop basics like high resolution support were atrocious . macOS ships solid support for these kind of basics early.
People do not use Linux Desktops because it is the ultimate comfort experience (it is not), but because they developed an awareness about how important FREEDOM is. They use Linux _despite_ some technical problems that exist because they want full control of their OS. Mostly these people know very well that there are shortcomings, also many of them know other computer systems very well and _still_ they use Linux becau…
> Mostly these people know very well that there are shortcoming
Apart from this thread is about how the person thinks it doesn’t have any shortcomings compared to macOS.
> because that original "hacker spirit"
I love hacking too! I want to spend more time hacking. Hence I don’t want to waste my time doing uninteresting things like managing a desktop environment. That’s not interesting hacking it’s janitorial.
> Your position is pure consumerism - fat cat wants everything _now_
You’re just being personally abusive now - not sure why you feel the need to do that. Please cut it out.
My position isn’t for consumerism - it’s using the best tool for the job and appreciating quality engineering. Why would I pick a wonky tool instead? A good hacker picks good tools.
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What ancient hardware are you using where the macOS UI is actually slow ?
Even the top-of the line 16” MBPs have perceptively slower UI compared to M1 or my Linux workstation
Seriously? I haven't had a macOS machine where the UI wasn't perfectly smooth for, like, a decade?
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My biggest issue with macOS keyboard shortcuts and gestures (and it’s a much worse issue on iOS) is discoverability. Once you know them, though, they do work almost everywhere.
On MacOS, every menu item has the keyboard shortcut displayed to the right, even the ones you’ve custom assigned. On iOS this is about to get a lot better too; on iOS/iPadOS 15, if you hold down ⌘, you get a list of keyboard shortcuts currently available, interestingly organized just like the menu bar on MacOS. The totally secret stuff is all hidden behind ⌥, but actually if you hold that down while looking at menu i…
Yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about. “Hold down CMD,” how do you discover this? CMD-ALT-SPACE for Spotlight? CMD-CTL-SPACE for Emojis? 2-fingers to right click? ALT-2-finger-click for a context menu? Four/Five finger swipe gesture functions? Two fingers from the right for Notifications?
The situation is even worse on iOS. Remember when it was news that you could long-press SPACE in order to relocate the text cursor?
There’s a million of these little things, and if you’re in the ecosystem for awhile, you forget that you’ve learned them. They are genuinely useful and pleasant shortcuts that feel appropriate once you’ve learned them. But as far as I know, there’s no universal way to learn all these handy shortcuts.
A few are configurable via System Preferences, and so you can discover them that way. Many of them are not.
Particularly frustrating is that gestures change depending on your device, even stock settings! A swipe from the upper right corner of my iPhone 7 is different than a swipe from the upper corner of my iPhone 11 which is different, and while a two-finger swipe from the right on macOS gives me notifications neither iPad nor iOS do that. Why is it that two-finger tap is context menu on macOS but a two-finger tap on iOS generally does nothing, and there’s a whole different gesture of long-press (I don’t even know if ForceTap is still a thing or not).
The consistency WITHIN macOS across apps is what’s great about macOS. It’s a shame it’s so hard to discover, and it’s a shame they keep changing these patterns without bothering to unify them.
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#139Unrealistic. The UI is faster than my mac's.
This reminds me of an old story about the original development of OS X Aqua in the 90s. At the time they were doing functioning mockups for the Aqua design in Macromedia Director. It was not easy to actually implement the UI with the available hardware, but the mockups showed that it was possible. "Mr. Ratzlaff frequently would remind Apple engineers that 'Macromedia can do it, so why can't you?'" Only source I can f…
It's sad that they even wanted to do an exact port.
Also sad that some fundamental design errors were repeated in OS X, with the worst being the single menu bar that's glued to the top of the screen and has to be shared by all applications. That's understandable in GUI 1.0; but after every other GUI went with menus on applications' main frames, it became clear that their design was superior.
Another ridiculous Mac UI problem was not being able to resize windows from their edges (or even 3/4 of their corners). WTF? At least Apple FINALLY fixed that, albeit grudgingly and 30 years later.
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Even the top-of the line 16” MBPs have perceptively slower UI compared to M1 or my Linux workstation
Seriously? I haven't had a macOS machine where the UI wasn't perfectly smooth for, like, a decade?
My early 2015 Macbook Pro can be a little sluggish when I have lots of stuff open on my 4K monitor, but I think it'd be a little harsh to judge a six year old machine for that! This laptop's done very well really, it's definitely going to have an afterlife as a media server or something after it stops getting macOS updates because I'm loathe to get rid of hardware that's still doing a fantastic job.