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Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by _ph_ »

scns wrote: post #33
theranger wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I consider my time more valuable than the cost of the ecosystem. I have no interest to tweak anything, I use the computer to earn my paycheck and constant tinkering and tweaking is not part of it. Open source and free software is free only if you do not value your time enough.

Open source and free software is free. Even if you value your time. Sorry for being a pedant.

No one has claimed you would have to pay for open/free software. But, as with everything else, you need to calculate the total cost of ownership. And there your personal effort or your efficiency comes into play.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by jcelerier »

linguae wrote: post #34
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

> Having the ability to theme one's desktop is nice, but I prefer having an ecosystem of well-designed applications that all conform to a common set of well-designed UI/UX guidelines.

How is "well-designed" defined in that case ? e.g. the oft-referenced paper that Apple apparently used to define their environment as primary mouse-driven ("keyboards users state that they take less time and measurably take more time than mouse users to achieve a given task with a keyboard" or something like that, don't remember the actual phrasing) has famously not been reproduced. In contrast the UI work that went into the win95 design seemed much more experimentally reliable.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by Razengan »

edoceo wrote: post #32
Razengan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No means no. Stop bugging people and forcing your dogma on them.

Yea, sorry I "forced" you read my opinion.

Someone said they don’t want to try something and you still pushed on with “How about this way then?” with added gaslighting on top.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by sidharthv »

giansegato wrote: post #13
FractalHQ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually the same author of the famous MacOS in React. He’s a legend, and has been very active in the Svelte community / discord lately!

Where can I find the Svelte discord you're mentioning?

Taken from their homepage: https://svelte.dev/chat

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by chrismorgan »

d_k_f wrote: post #28
chrismorgan wrote: post #21

The use of backdrop-filter triggers a fascinating bug in Firefox if you have manually enabled it (about:config, layout.css.backdrop-filter.enabled = true): the menus have a `backdrop-filter: blur(25px)`, and when they’re closed, the menus are hidden with `visibility: hidden` (I can’t see any reason why `display: none` is not used, you should normally prefer it), and this triggers https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug…

Without having opened the page: visibility can be animated using CSS transitions, so you can fade in/out the menus. Display doesn't work that way, so that's probably the reason.

At present at least there is no CSS transition here (I checked before I first made my comment).

You could also use a CSS animation (which can handle display), multi-stage transitions controlled in JavaScript, or Svelte’s own animation system.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by nicoburns »

grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

The premium is for easy app compatibility. MS Office runs on macs, Adobe software, etc. And unix tools (in particular programming language ecosystems) also run on macs.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by chrisseaton »

edoceo wrote: post #23
rapsey wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I have zero interest in tweaking and messing with it. I want sane defaults, consistent keyboard shortcuts and when I plug something in I want it to just work.

Xfce on Arch then? Shit, my Gentoo/Xfce gives me that too. Apple is all hype. In the last 12 months there's been loud threads on HN about Apple and MS breakage and user hostility. Meanwhile, my old installs keep working, out of my way. I've been through a few big Xfce updates too - it got better, objectively better and didn't break anything - and never once (since 2007) has it disrespected me with any user hostile $B…

Trillion dollar company is ‘all hype’ doesn’t pass a reality check for me.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by chrisseaton »

grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Last time I tried a Linux desktop basics like high resolution support were atrocious. macOS ships solid support for these kind of basics early.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

linguae wrote: post #34
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

I have over 200 apps on my Mac, including a bunch of “big ones,” like the Adobe CS Suite, and the Microsoft Office 365 Suite. I have dozens of dev tools and smaller apps.

Most, I only use occasionally. I use Xcode, SourceTree, BBEdit, and Adobe Illustrator (to create graphic assets for apps), the most.

I am probably at expert level on most of the apps on my computer (which isn’t really saying that much, as most are “one-tick ponies”); even though I may only use most of them, once a month, or less.

That’s the value of a consistent UI, to me. I am not always happy with the platform standards, but being able to fire up an application that I haven’t used in months, and get productive in seconds, is quite valuable.

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