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Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by laurent92 »

Dah00n wrote: post #81
qaq wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well looking at the numbers it's a preference of a very sizable group of people.

Being many or a majority doesn't necessarily mean being right though. They are completely unrelated. It's a very weak defense of Apple design choices versus KDE (or anything else).

It’s astonishing to me that one can claim that any Linux-on-PC is beautiful, polished and easy to use. I have bought a Dell XPS for an employee, which is supposed to be the best mass-market laptop before System76s which are way more expensive; and the overall experience is appalling compared to Mac:

- Before even starting, you open the laptop, the bottom stays stuck with the lid, so you raise a little more and shake it and it smashes against the desk. It’s comically unpolished experience. It requires a decade of seniority as an engineer to know that it’s a criteria that you should include to your purchase, whereas with Apple you buy any of them and the quality is uniform.

- I’ve had my macbook for 8 years and still watching movies on batteries, not a single PC laptop can reach such performance.

- It would wake up at the office and play my employee’s music, and I don’t have his password and the sound buttons don’t work without login. Why oh why?

- The GRUB at startup and the workflow for full disk encryption… What is there to defend on the polishing of the various Linux experience?

If you have to be an expert to know that some distribution or another is better, then it’s not an expertise I want to be good at. My job is delivering experiences to my own customers, and software needs to get out of the way.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by maaanu »

Dah00n wrote: post #81
qaq wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well looking at the numbers it's a preference of a very sizable group of people.

Being many or a majority doesn't necessarily mean being right though. They are completely unrelated. It's a very weak defense of Apple design choices versus KDE (or anything else).

True, but it is a decent argument against "it is just your personal preference".

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by qaq »

Dah00n wrote: post #81
qaq wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well looking at the numbers it's a preference of a very sizable group of people.

Being many or a majority doesn't necessarily mean being right though. They are completely unrelated. It's a very weak defense of Apple design choices versus KDE (or anything else).

When it comes to to usability they are not completely unrelated

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by s15624 »

grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Everything works well. The unix filesystem works well unlike wsl on windows. The trackpad feels like an extension of me rather than something I'm grappling with. You can close the lid and not worry about whether it will wake up when you reopen it. Software/OS upgrade support is great, my old laptop died on me when I upgraded to windows 10, I'm now on a 2013 Macbook Air and it feels as if it were new and it's still running the latest OS. The ecosystem is also important, the cohesion between apple devices definitely removes a pain point, particularly copy and pasting between devices, opening browser windows from your phone on your laptop etc.

I feel all these minor annoyances are worth the premium for me and I'm about to . Don't get me wrong, MacOS isn't perfect but it's a better experience than Windows for me, and Linux is a pain to get setup on a laptop. The biggest one for me is the trackpad on Windows and Linux really suck.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by mihaaly »

grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

I worked in an organization where UI was free to adjust and it did not work for teamwork. Too many variations. Something that worked for one did not work for the rest, it was painfully slow to assist each other on each other's computers. Involved partial constant re-learning of a new environment. It was a hopeless bunch of individualists, not teamwork.

Saying that with admitting Apple's decisions on 'improvements' are many times controversial the least. They, as many vendors of products nowadays, forget the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". What is worse, they tend to 'improve' or 'revolutionalize' (and nowadays 'disrupt', yeah, they distrupt all right!) things working perfectly and desirably!

I also admit that careful customizations is desirable.

Just like standardization, standardization is desirable too! Standardization has lots of merits.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by matwood »

chrisseaton wrote: post #58
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Last time I tried a Linux desktop basics like high resolution support were atrocious . macOS ships solid support for these kind of basics early.

I gave up trying to have a linux desktop because of HiDPI issues with mixed monitors, and applications that were inconsistent when running on HiDPI screens. It's been a solved problem on macOS for so long, I had assumed it was table stakes everywhere else.

This is before listing the ecosystem advantages of macOS and iOS.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by IggleSniggle »

aikinai wrote: post #96
Dah00n wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a heavy keyboard shortcut user I find it hard to agree. Windows has been better in that regard for a long time and Linux is catching up fast. The rest to me is just unnecessary eye candy, like the hideous animations everywhere on Mac.

What’s better about keyboard shortcuts on Windows? MacOS has a very rich set of keyboard shortcuts, the prevailing culture is for third-party apps to have them too, and you can map custom shortcuts to any command accessible in a menu. I haven’t used Windows extensively since 2015, but at least back then I had to have a suite of AutoHotKey scripts just to get close to native MacOS functionality.

My biggest issue with macOS keyboard shortcuts and gestures (and it’s a much worse issue on iOS) is discoverability. Once you know them, though, they do work almost everywhere.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by vbezhenar »

jbverschoor wrote: post #76
jfmc wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that it is fast because modern browsers are fast, implement good algorithms to repaint just what need to be repainted, and delegate a lot of work to the GPU. Exactly like the Quartz compositor engine.

But he said "Faster". Not "Fast"

Animation speed is just an arbitrary constant.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by andrekandre »

jbverschoor wrote: post #92
linguae wrote: post #34

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As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

Not only electron, but also apples own iOS ported apps are plain shit in terms of UX. Look at HomeKit for example, or any of the other ported apps, no keyboard shortcuts, no keyboard navigation, resizing is a bitch, the proxy icons are on their way out. Pretty looks, but no substance.

i think alot of those are catalyst apps... yea, pretty sub par imo (im looking at you swift playgrounds)

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by PaulHoule »

jfmc wrote: post #73
tarkin2 wrote: post #9

Unrealistic. The UI is faster than my mac's.

I guess that it is fast because modern browsers are fast, implement good algorithms to repaint just what need to be repainted, and delegate a lot of work to the GPU. Exactly like the Quartz compositor engine.

Also the real computer has to think about it more. (E.g. initialize whatever services the applications uses, be concerned about the data structures the applications mirror.). The demo just has to look right on initial inspection.
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