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Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by Jyaif »

grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

Software wise, I personally pay the premium for the keyboard shortcuts that work everywhere and for the decent terminal.

Having the shortcuts being all over the place and near unusable in Linux is understandable as there's no coordination in this community, but not having a single god damn decent terminal (I tried them all) is pathetic. If macOS becomes as locked down as iOS, I will switch to Linux and write my own Terminal.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by jbverschoor »

linguae wrote: post #34
grawprog wrote: post #10

Gotta be honest, the last mac I ever used ran OS8 I think, maybe 9, it was one of the classic Mac os's either way. I know this is just a UI recreation and not the actual OS but as a long time KDE user, like over a decade, I can't help but think meh, why does this UI get so much praise? I can make my desktop look, act and behave literally any way I want, I can modify every single aspect of every single thing on my des…

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

Not only electron, but also apples own iOS ported apps are plain shit in terms of UX.

Look at HomeKit for example, or any of the other ported apps, no keyboard shortcuts, no keyboard navigation, resizing is a bitch, the proxy icons are on their way out.

Pretty looks, but no substance.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by jbverschoor »

Dah00n wrote: post #79
linguae wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

As a heavy keyboard shortcut user I find it hard to agree. Windows has been better in that regard for a long time and Linux is catching up fast. The rest to me is just unnecessary eye candy, like the hideous animations everywhere on Mac.

Enable keyboard navigation and use space/enter to press buttons

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by philposting »

Dah00n wrote: post #83
scns wrote: post #27

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Options beget choice. Choices need a decision, which requires energy. We can reframe what is called in german Innerer Schweinehund as our innate, hardwired wetware program to conserve energy. Lions and all other cats sleep most of the day, because hunting, which succeeds 1 out of 10 times, requires a lot of energy. We now live in an environment where food is abundant, no running after gazelles till think break down f…

That's nonsense. Having options doesn't mean you have to pick one. Having 1 choice or 10 with a default set is the same unless you start digging into options. This smells like "Apple Knows Best".

That's not true, for many people. If you increase choices then people often feel less happy.

Having more varieties of mayonnaise at the supermarket doesn't necessarily make us happier--it just forces us to expend energy choosing, or worrying that we've made the wrong choice. If there's just one variety then we don't have that issue and we're probably happy with the mayonnaise that we get.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by viraptor »

qaq wrote: post #65
telxoss wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is obviously a personal preference of yours or you have never used KDE Plasma.

Well looking at the numbers it's a preference of a very sizable group of people.

A very sizable group of people is not making an explicit choice between MacOS defaults or KDE defaults. There's a lot more going on here to make this claim.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by aikinai »

Dah00n wrote: post #79
linguae wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long time Mac user, in my opinion what has historically distinguished the Mac from other platforms is the high degree of UI/UX consistency across applications. Mac users historically valued software products that conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines and tended to shun non-compliant products; this is why Microsoft Word 5.1 was so well-received by classic Mac users while Microsoft Word 6 was rejected…

As a heavy keyboard shortcut user I find it hard to agree. Windows has been better in that regard for a long time and Linux is catching up fast. The rest to me is just unnecessary eye candy, like the hideous animations everywhere on Mac.

What’s better about keyboard shortcuts on Windows? MacOS has a very rich set of keyboard shortcuts, the prevailing culture is for third-party apps to have them too, and you can map custom shortcuts to any command accessible in a menu.

I haven’t used Windows extensively since 2015, but at least back then I had to have a suite of AutoHotKey scripts just to get close to native MacOS functionality.

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by kevinak »

arcturus17 wrote: post #90
puruvj wrote: post #66

Project author here :) Can't express my gratitude enough for sharing this here. Thanks you!

This is dope, congrats. I've read in other comments that you also built this in React... I think people would kill to read a deep dive of the differences you've seen between both frameworks in the context of building this project. I'm a hardcore React user, and Svelte looks great, but what prevents me from adopting it is that I don't have enough info of what its limitations "at the edges" may be in a complex project…

We're going to have him on Svelte Radio in a couple of weeks to talk about this! Stay tuned :)

Re: macOS in Svelte

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Post by puruvj »

arcturus17 wrote: post #90
puruvj wrote: post #66

Project author here :) Can't express my gratitude enough for sharing this here. Thanks you!

This is dope, congrats. I've read in other comments that you also built this in React... I think people would kill to read a deep dive of the differences you've seen between both frameworks in the context of building this project. I'm a hardcore React user, and Svelte looks great, but what prevents me from adopting it is that I don't have enough info of what its limitations "at the edges" may be in a complex project…

Started writing the blog post already
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