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Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by s5300 » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

handmodel wrote: post #23

tlowrimore wrote: post #17

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It is important to consider the context within which these suggestions were initially put forth. We had a president that claimed to have Coronavirus under control, that it was no worse than the flu and who openly and frequently cast doubt upon the only expert in the room. Perhaps had his behavior been a bit more tempered, he would have been taken more seriously.

I posted an article on HN at the time from a Chinese-born Harvard Public Health PHd who was writing in winter of 2020 he thought it could have come from the lab. It actually wasn't downvoted too much - plenty of people here found it plausible - but the amount of people saying I was stupid and gullible has really stuck with me. I was told I had no idea how viruses work (this is true enough - I don't have a degree in b…

>but the amount of people saying I was stupid and gullible has really stuck with me.

The amount of people saying something about you on a mostly anonymous internet message board has really stuck with you?

This is, probably for your own good, a decent indicator that you should stop visiting said website.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by iammisc » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

s5300 wrote: post #158

iammisc wrote: post #103

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Who claimed that? Even the most prominent proponent of the lab leak theory, Donald Trump, said several times early on that he wasn't sure if it was intentional or an accident. In fact, he was pretty clear he thought it was accidental, and only mentioned it being intentional as a possibility, but that was an afterthought. Source, since everyone likes to put words in his mouth: https://apnews.com/article/understanding-…

> In fact, he was pretty clear he thought I suspect you're being downvoted because of your insistence on Donald Trump being "pretty clear", among other things, when Donald Trump has a decades long history of being anything but "very clear" While this is after when your comment refers to, here is an example. > "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do…

No one is going to argue that Trump is a great orator or that he doesn't gaffe or that every single thing that comes out of his mouth ought to be taken at face value (Are you kidding me... do you believe this is true of any politician? Look at what happened with Cuomo after months of media adulation and an emmy....)

In the case of the lab leak theory, Trump was always extremely clear that he thought it a possibility and that he did not necessarily think it was a bioweapon. I can see that you are uninterested in engaging in good faith, because instead of keeping the debate to what it was about (the lab leak theory) you're changing the goalposts (demanding that everything he say be absolutely clear and never wrong or stupid, apparently in contrast to every other president before him [1]).

Lots of presidents speak poorly on certain issues, make stupid statements that they later have to cover up and retract, or cause confusion. That doesn't make them wrong on the issues they do speak clearly on.

> Would seem to "indicate" that you're not exactly the most reasonable person to have any discussion in good faith to begin with.

Oh please... downvoting someone who is giving you evidence of exactly what was said without a response indicates that those downvoting are only interested in ignoring reality.

[1] If I recall correctly, one of the most popular presidents of all time got up on stage and actually told the American public that accusations against him literally depend on 'what the meaning of the word is is'... come on, this is the most demanding and insane standard to expect of any American leader.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by aesh2Xa1 » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #127

cm2187 wrote: post #106

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I'd like to think we don't put doctors in jail when they raise the alarm on a new virus.

You mean Li Wenliang, the doctor who was eventually decorated - by Chinese government - for speaking up? He was never put to jail. That’s another case of anti-Chinese propaganda for you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

Born 12 October 1985 Beizhen, Jinzhou, Liaoning, China

Died 7 February 2020 (aged 34) Wuhan, Hubei, China

Cause of death COVID-19

Yes, all of that suspicious propaganda about the Chinese government's treatment of dissidents. The decoration came after his death at 34 years old.

> He died from the disease on 7 February 2020, at age 34.[8][9] A subsequent Chinese official inquiry exonerated him, and the Communist Party of China formally offered a "solemn apology" to his family and revoked the admonishment of him.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by lasc4r » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

timbo1642 wrote: post #140

cm2187 wrote: post #63

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To be honest the only way we will ever know is if the chinese would share the genomes of the viruses they stored in their lab, but who would trust them to do that? The express drive-by the WHO did in china served absolutely no purpose. I am ready to bet that all samples have been destroyed and the staff briefed (warned). I would even suspect the samples have not even been analysed by the Chinese themselves as it is b…

We dont need to compare anything. We already know. Even the Biden administration who kisses China's ass agrees. Its well known and all the virus experts that aren't brainwashed leftists agree. Many of them did from day 1. They had other leaks and there are news articles about it with the original SARS. Stop trying to play pretend and believe the truth.

From day one it's been silly to assume any outbreak of a virus is from a lab leak without evidence.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by SnowProblem » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

phatfish wrote: post #149

SnowProblem wrote: post #95

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Aytu BioPharma is a small company bringing UV light into the body, and the early trials on COVID last year showed it worked. The same was true for Hydroxychloroquine too. You fell for propaganda. https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/

Hydroxychloroquine has a mountain of side effects worse than COVID for most people, and very little (if any) positive effect. Maybe UV could help in some way, but was this ever going to be a real solution? I highly doubt Aytu BioPharma was in a position to deliver anything meaningful at the volume and time-scale required. Trump simply had no clue what a workable solution looked like. He broadcast to the world as the…

The side effects of HCQ were very overstated. The first study [1] that was pushed by the media to discredit Trump saying HCQ might be dangerous to the heart was later retracted [2] because the authors refused to share its data. The best metaanalysis today shows HCQ works to treat COVID if used early and is safe at the right doses [3].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/health/malaria-drug-trump...

[2] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

[3] https://hcqmeta.com/

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by iammisc » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

TooKool4This wrote: post #77

908B64B197 wrote: post #12

Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember how you would get banned from Facebook for suggesting that the lab leak theory was a possibility? Then major social networks and the medias reversed their positions. What changed in the meantime, other than the president?

> Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember when the head of the previous administration thought injecting disinfectants or UV light was a possible solution to Covid? The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.

> The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.

If that's the case, then the previous administration's opponents ought to look in the mirror, because they were the first anti-vaxxers, the first covid deniers (pelosi's statements that people should not be afraid of covid in late jan/early feb in chinatown, despite having access to the same intelligence as trump), and Dr Fauci lying to the US congress about gain of function research.

Honestly, given what's happened in the last two years on both sides, it should come as no surprise that no one trusts the federal government.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by z3ncyberpunk » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #157

timbo1642 wrote: post #140

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We dont need to compare anything. We already know. Even the Biden administration who kisses China's ass agrees. Its well known and all the virus experts that aren't brainwashed leftists agree. Many of them did from day 1. They had other leaks and there are news articles about it with the original SARS. Stop trying to play pretend and believe the truth.

> brainwashed leftists My heuristic is, whenever I encounter these labels, it's the moment I stop reading. They signal the end of productive conversation, anything surrounding them can be ignored.

Cool?

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by z3ncyberpunk » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

lasc4r wrote: post #164

timbo1642 wrote: post #140

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We dont need to compare anything. We already know. Even the Biden administration who kisses China's ass agrees. Its well known and all the virus experts that aren't brainwashed leftists agree. Many of them did from day 1. They had other leaks and there are news articles about it with the original SARS. Stop trying to play pretend and believe the truth.

From day one it's been silly to assume any outbreak of a virus is from a lab leak without evidence.

There's been plenty, there's been exactly zero evidence though that it was from bats and wet markets. And if it were from bats or other animals, why did fouchi want to collect even more animals that are already being experimented on an increase the rate of already dangerous research?

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by quantum_magpie » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:08 PM UTC

aesh2Xa1 wrote: post #160

rcurry wrote: post #144

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Well, we do block them on Facebook and Twitter.

What are you talking about (serious)? Dissent is legal and will not result in imprisonment in the US. I don't even subscribe to Facebook or Twitter by choice. I definitely wouldn't subscribe to imprisonment by choice, haha. If you're concerned about these platforms controlling their content privately, don't use them.

Well, the US seems hellbent on shipping one journalist who broke no law in US to their torture chambers. Until that's sorted out you just can't claim moral superiority.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by dkersten » Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:08 PM UTC

shapefrog wrote: post #145

dkersten wrote: post #96

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My problem with the non-lab-leak story is that CCP went to great lengths to cover up and downplay the virus in the early months, largely contributing to its global spread and a bunch of coincidences would have had to line up just right for the wet market hypothesis to be true (just happened to be in the same city as the lab where they just happened to be studying the exact same thing, where the CCP just happened to t…

My problem with the non-lab-leak story is that USA went to great lengths to cover up and downplay the virus in the early months, largely contributing to its global spread

I'm unsure what your point is. Care to explain?

Is that meant to be a counterargument? (just because the USA downplayed it doesn't make CCP's doing so better, especially since they had advance knowledge and could have potentially completely prevented the global pandemic, while when it was in the USA, it was already global, even if lesser) Are you agreeing with me but adding that the USA isn't faultless? (Its true, but I don't know how its relevant to what I said) I really have no idea what you're trying to say.