I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.
How would the US react to a foreign-led investigation of us?
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Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#132Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember how you would get banned from Facebook for suggesting that the lab leak theory was a possibility? Then major social networks and the medias reversed their positions. What changed in the meantime, other than the president?
> Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember when the head of the previous administration thought injecting disinfectants or UV light was a possible solution to Covid? The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.
Now if all you do is read the title of articles or videos from left leaning news site, you may walk away with the belief that he's telling people to inject it. But he's not. He says they're going to look into it. Watch the video for yourself (and take note at the video title): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE.
I want to add--I'm in no way indicating the right leaning news sites don't do the same. They've both screwed the country up by failing to report news without some bias slapped all over everything.
Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#133So the best guess is that it came from wild bats, and there was a lab right next to the initial outbreak site that was studying wild bats. That could just be a coincidence, but it's a pretty remarkable coincidence and at the very least deserves further investigation. It could have been just an innocent mistake. A researcher got the disease while collecting bats out in the wild, but the lab never got a sample of the d…
Instead we can't seem to find that side of things. Instead the virus seems better fit to the mouse / ACE2 receptor stuff going on in the lab (with a big jump in infection rate) vs a gradual build from something evolving to work in humans.
Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#134Everyone with common sense must assume that a lab which does experiments on Corona viruses is the most likely source and not the food market nearby. It's really that simple...
The lab was located there because the wet markets and local bat population have been a historical epicenter of respiratory diseases.
The reason the wet market theory came to prominence was because commerce seemed like a reasonable explanation for how a novel coronavirus showed up so far away from its known animal reservoir (bats).
The reason the WIV is in Wuhan is the same as the reason why the CDC is in Atlanta or whatever -- Wuhan is a major city and it has things in it.
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#135Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but the purpose of the narrative is not to compare whether we are doing the same thing. It is to blame China for the pandemic. TBH, if we did the same thing, I expect the rest of the world would blame us. That said, it seems pretty unproductive at this point to blame anyone, but it does seem productive to avoid it happening again.
Do we need to actually blame them, as such? Or is it more important to memorialize the mistake so we can learn from our history?
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#137Maybe it's because he's a fan of The Far Side and had seen this on his Far Side desktop calendar?[0] [0] https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/1d/61/6c1d61b11496488750658428d...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwvZql6RToE&feature=share&fbcl...
Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would the US react to a foreign-led investigation of us?
Probably very similarly. If the EU Commission tried to lead an investigation of some major disaster potentially originating in the US, cooperative is not the word I'd use to describe how it would go. Sadly.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but the purpose of the narrative is not to compare whether we are doing the same thing. It is to blame China for the pandemic. TBH, if we did the same thing, I expect the rest of the world would blame us. That said, it seems pretty unproductive at this point to blame anyone, but it does seem productive to avoid it happening again.
That's exactly my point. It doesn't help anyone to blame anyone else, and the fact that Americans are so fast to blame China is very telling. Years of propaganda has worked its magic in far more sinister ways than any of us want to admit, especially to ourselves.
* P(agressivley blame china | american lab leak of gain of function)
Not a 0 on that one.
Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases
#140I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.
To be honest the only way we will ever know is if the chinese would share the genomes of the viruses they stored in their lab, but who would trust them to do that? The express drive-by the WHO did in china served absolutely no purpose. I am ready to bet that all samples have been destroyed and the staff briefed (warned). I would even suspect the samples have not even been analysed by the Chinese themselves as it is b…
Stop trying to play pretend and believe the truth.