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It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by dleslie »

edgyquant wrote: post #70
whytaka wrote: post #59

Personally, I have lost hope. The ocean temperatures will continue rising, the ecosystem of micro-organisms that provide the majority of the planet's oxygen will collapse, the seasons will become completely undependable for agriculture, the massive reservoirs of methane under permafrost will explode into the atmosphere, forests around the world will burn, and the reservoirs of potable water will dry up. My cynical be…

> ecosystem of micro-organisms that provide the majority of the planet's oxygen will collapse, Citation needed. This is the doomsaying that people see, then see legit science doesn’t suggest this, and assume it’s all as real as the book of revelations. We need to spread real information not act like the world will legitimately end because the temperature goes up to what it was 3 million years ago.

I think they might be referring to phytoplankton. Their shells are dependent on the ocean being amenable to their development, and it's becoming less so, already causing growing pockets of oxygen-poor ocean waters.[0][1] They happen to be responsible for about half our oxygen, or more.[2]

0: https://psmag.com/environment/global-warming-is-putting-phyt...

1: https://news.mit.edu/2015/ocean-acidification-phytoplankton-...

2: https://newportbay.org/ask-a-naturalist-do-phytoplankton-pro...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by notJim »

api wrote: post #32
imoverclocked wrote: post #29

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Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?

The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology. The presence of any strong uniform ideology makes me extremely skeptical just like political interest does. I'd summarize as: I assume that strong ideological beliefs or political motives make people irrational, dishonest, and untrustworthy.

> The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology.

Why didn't you consider that their "green ideology" comes from their scientific findings. Shouldn't all of our ideologies/beliefs be informed by our understanding of the world?!

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by only_as_i_fall »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #95
systemvoltage wrote: post #30

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This always gets brought up and it's a distraction from the real coal power plants that contribute to double digit CO2 emissions. Some guy blowing up smoke in the truck might make you raged but it's misplaced. Can we get raged at the coal powered power plants?

https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2019/10/4/global-warmin... . There are more than just power plants to worry about... Concrete is 8% of our CO^2 emissions, agriculture is 9%. There are these things that no one thinks about that need to be addressed as well that sneak under the radar. There are teams working on them that don't get the glitz and glamour (or funding) that will make an impact, if adopted. EDIT: I'm n…

I think awareness about the negative environmental effects of agriculture and specifically cattle and other animals used for meat is at least much more prevelant than it used to be.

The concrete thing probably still flies under the radar though.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by decebalus1 »

lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

Some of the deniers I know personally told me their views shifted to 'there's nothing we can do now so the point is moot, enjoy it while you can, there's no point in doing anything environmentally friendly now'

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by bwship »

cryptoz wrote: post #139
bwship wrote: post #103

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I wouldn't call myself a denier. But a hot July doesn't sound that scary. Next thing that will happen is February will be the coldest month ever recorded, and then people will really lose their shit.

Why is it not scary? The hot July killed 1000 people in the Pacific Northwest alone in just 1 week. An entire Canadian town burned the the ground, basically nothing left. Residents had 15 minutes warning and not everyone made it out. Where are you located that this hot July wasn't scary? This hot July had my fingers on emergency services as temperatures rose, AC couldn't keep up, loved ones with asthma and already tr…

As a kid, I remember blackouts in New York City, and we had to sleep with wash clothes on our head, which was kind of impossible, and we would all make our way downstairs, and our parents would be hanging around outside cause it was cooler than in the house.

Sorry that you had family members that were affected by this.

But, no it doesn't seem scary. The fires are caused by poor forest management (talked about in another thread this week). But, I am in South Carolina, and this week it is in the 90's like just about every week in August ever down here. And actually, this summer, we have gotten a ton of rain, more so than I can remember. But, it's been hot like it always is in the summer in the south, I can't say I ever walked out my door this month and been scared about it.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by rootusrootus »

starik36 wrote: post #143
cryptoz wrote: post #78

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I am very left, and despise Biden's refusal to address climate change where it counts, like fraking. But honestly, the new boss is not the same as the old boss, even with climate change. The new boss does in fact acknowledge it exists, rather than insisting that all climate change is a hoax and it is invented by China to hurt the US. Biden is not making the progress I'd like to see, but he is in no way as bad as the…

This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. The CO2 emissions output has been coming down since the high in 2006. With the old boss and the new boss. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide... If anything, fracking helped the environment, since it offset resources being mined by the traditional, more wasteful methods.

> This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words.

Arguably the most powerful tool the POTUS has is words. So they are not unimportant.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by rtkwe »

crispyambulance wrote: post #84
SigmundA wrote: post #21

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Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...

Yeah, I heard about that but was skeptical that people could take that position non-sarcastically until recently when driving on the PA Turnpike, I saw this... https://twitter.com/co2coalition/status/1397912884756107269 The cynical dishonesty of an organization creating a billboard like that boggles my mind.

It's the same thing Exxon did in the 80s when it's own researchers came to the conclusion that climate change was going to happen and then spent several decades clouding the issue to keep from being regulated so they could keep making money on drilling.

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by dleslie »

mc32 wrote: post #145
dleslie wrote: post #120

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Banning plastic straws and plastic bags wasn't to combat climate change, the bans were created because those single-use plastics were overwhelming municipal garbage disposal systems. And then foreign states stop buying it to recycle.

It’s still nonsense because the volume created by these things is minuscule. All it is is Greta feel-good bullshit. Household goods, transport packaging, industrial uses those account for the majority of plastics by mass. Yeah sure, 100 billion plastic straws sounds like a lot, but it’s nothing compared to the main culprits.

It was a large enough problem to cause an international diplomatic dispute between Canada and the Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Philippines_was...

Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record

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Post by [deleted] »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #130
lmilcin wrote: post #8

Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.

I'm surprised this straw-man still exists. If there are any people that "believe global warming does not exist", it's an edge minority. All skeptics are clear that they believe global warming is happening. The far bigger issue in addressing the global warming matter is actually people who seem incapable of having a rational and logical discussion and debate about things, and instead simply demand imposed obedience an…

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