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Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Personally, I was more surprised by the various groups of people who _don't_ have higher metabolic rates: > Children’s metabolic rates stay high until age 5, but the rate slowly begins to glide down until it plateaus around age 20. Interestingly, adult rates are stable until age 60, when they begin to decline. After age 90, humans use about 26% less energy daily, Pontzer says. > The study also found that pregnant wom…

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

Like most things there's quite a lot of factors to play into this but I would say one of the main factors here is that generally men start reducing natural testosterone production and gradually losing muscle mass sometime after around age 30. Basically, the more muscle mass you have, the more calories you burn to maintain it.

Also to compound this your metabolism tends to adapt to whatever you are doing. Even if you are doing lots of exercise, your body does tends to become more efficient at doing that exercise, using less calories to do the same thing over time. The same is true of running on lower and lower calories, your body adapts to run on less calories so it actually helps to do something of a 'bulking' period every so often to keep your metabolism running at a higher rate and not letting it drop down to 'economy mode'.

If you change nothing from your 20s to 30s, keeping exactly the same calories in your diet and same amount of exercise then you will most likely start to gradually gain a calorie surplus from this loss of muscle and thus start gain some more fat from the excess calories. You'll basically need to reduce calories or increase exercise to compensate.

Also look into what you can do to help maintain/improve your natural testosterone production (better sleep, nutrients like zinc and magnesium etc) as this will help offset it to some degree (poor sleep alone will absolutely destroy your natural testosterone levels). Alternatively you can look into Testosterone replacement therapy, which seems to be quite common these days.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

Like most things there's quite a lot of factors to play into this but I would say one of the main factors here is that generally men start reducing natural testosterone production and gradually losing muscle mass sometime after around age 30. Basically, the more muscle mass you have, the more calories you burn to maintain it. Also to compound this your metabolism tends to adapt to whatever you are doing. Even if you…

It can't be testosterone alone. I've got the levels of a 25 year old according to my urologist (and yes, he sent me to be checked for anomalies) and I've noticed a significant decline in metabolism after the age of 40, despite exercising and not gaining weight and sleeping more than before. My (unscientific) hypothesis is that it's mostly a mental thing due to work/life being less demanding at this point.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Personally, I was more surprised by the various groups of people who _don't_ have higher metabolic rates: > Children’s metabolic rates stay high until age 5, but the rate slowly begins to glide down until it plateaus around age 20. Interestingly, adult rates are stable until age 60, when they begin to decline. After age 90, humans use about 26% less energy daily, Pontzer says. > The study also found that pregnant wom…

It does make sense if you think about it in terms of overall calories consumed rather than metabolic rate.

Children are very small and light, so even with a higher metabolic rate they need less calories overall than an adult. However a teenager is usually reaching adult size, but still with the same higher metabolic rate as the child, meaning they will need more calories than a typical adult who is on a lower metabolic rate even at similar size, that is why teenager seem to eat so much.

Pregnant women likewise may not have a higher metabolic rate, but they still need to eat more calories overall then before they were pregnant as they are growing in size and weight. It's not much different to a bodybuilder eating more calories to build then maintain a greater muscle mass.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

This is very important for any water related activities:

many kids drowned because of this. Jumping, screaming and laughing in the water - the next moment gone. You have to pay attention. I do not mean, being overprotective, just pay really attention to them and you should notice, when they are about to reach their limits.

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

My family recently had norovirus ("winter" vomitting bug), which for healthy adults is pretty much nothing other than being stuck on the toilet for a day (as I was). My 2 yo however was in hospital for nearly a week on an IV because of this. As soon as my wife realised it wasn't just simple vomitting she called a doctor and they told us to go to hospital, so we were there within 3 hours of the first episode. My wife…

Must have been bad- the normal recommendation for norovirus is to avoid hospital because it's so infectious.

e.g. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/norovirus/

That's what isolation wards are for, I suppose.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

Without more details if be inclined to blame "almost identical" as the culprit (not an expert): Making all your meals 5% bigger would cause a weight gain of nearly 10lbs/yr, and the kind of switch in diet that can happen naturally with age (especially including eating out more with friends) can make it hard to spot incremental changes. Moreover, a lot of exercise doesn't actually do much for weight loss (it's still i…

> Without more details if be inclined to blame "almost identical" as the culprit (not an expert):

Why? I mean, why do people find the idea of older people needing different diet due to body changes related to age so unbelievable? There are many changes related to age - how quickly injuries heal, how quickly you recover from something physical or tiring, how much or well you sleep. Your heartrate is slowly changing with age too.

Why would it be shocking that these has also impact on how food affects your look?

> To counteract the aforementioned 10lbs/yr you'd have to walk an extra ~20 minutes per day.

That is not how this works tho. The effect of exercise is not just in how many calories you theoretically spent running/walking exactly same distance. Your body adjusts to exercising way more - including on metabolism and body temperature. It has impact on how body works overall including on hunger - depending on exercise it can go both toward eating less or eating more. It has impact on how many muscles you have, how much energy you burn while building those muscles etc.

Experience of "I stopped exercising and keep eating the same, I gained a lot of weight" is not rare.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

When I was young I fell unconscious like four of five times and the doctors couldn't find why... If what you say is correct, it could be a possible explanation. Although I was never the very energetic running around kid due to having some complications at birth. I have learned though to notice when I'm about to go unconscious and find a chair or something so that I don't just fall on the ground and hurt myself. I once fell unconscious in a church which was fun because now I can joke that I was touched by the God.

It's quite interesting how much we still don't know, especially about ourselves.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

Thanks for this. Not as far into the end as shock but I've learned to watch for the signs that my daughter is tired and crashing. Sometimes it's as small as being a little distant (harder, many possible reasons) to full on tantrum (much easier). If you've raised a baby, you'll know the concept of "overtired", but it was absolutely baffling to me as a first time parent. You're tired kid, just go to sleep!! But they wo…

yeah, they behave like they're tired, but they have no idea what's going on and they're afraid of the feeling or just don't like how it feels but don't know what to do about it. it's like sleep is independent of their will.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

This is very important for any water related activities: many kids drowned because of this. Jumping, screaming and laughing in the water - the next moment gone. You have to pay attention. I do not mean, being overprotective, just pay really attention to them and you should notice, when they are about to reach their limits.

super important in the age of smartphone parents.
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