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Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Personally, I was more surprised by the various groups of people who _don't_ have higher metabolic rates: > Children’s metabolic rates stay high until age 5, but the rate slowly begins to glide down until it plateaus around age 20. Interestingly, adult rates are stable until age 60, when they begin to decline. After age 90, humans use about 26% less energy daily, Pontzer says. > The study also found that pregnant wom…

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

My anecdata is the opposite.

I track calories/food quality, weight, plicometry, and exercise (although not all of them all the time). With precise and systematic measuments, I find easily that it's a matter of food quality, quantity, and exercise.

I'm convinced that there are several external factors that make people over 30 gain weight, more than metabolism: work, children, stable relationships and independence.

I also used to think that teenagers are fit without any effort, but if I look at them, this is generally not true. I will start believe people who claim that it's a matter of metabolism when they'll start to track food, weight and plicometry, and will go on a sports (not walking) regime. But not before.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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You are probably consuming more calories than you think you are or not burning as many as you think you are.

I'll agree with that. There are certain lifestyle changes at that age range: office job, extra cash for eating out, etc.

Or you change jobs to one that gives you free snacks. Back when people worked in offices...

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

Thanks for this.

Not as far into the end as shock but I've learned to watch for the signs that my daughter is tired and crashing. Sometimes it's as small as being a little distant (harder, many possible reasons) to full on tantrum (much easier).

If you've raised a baby, you'll know the concept of "overtired", but it was absolutely baffling to me as a first time parent.

You're tired kid, just go to sleep!! But they won't unless the conditions are right. Miss the window and they'll go into overtired which causes them to scream/tantrum for way longer than anyone wants, again baffling.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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I’m always amazed when I see my two-year-old eat breakfast. Having two eggs and toast etc. per his weight would be like eating like Michael Phelps!

It doesn't take too long for them to double their body weight. If you ate like Michael Phelps you could probably double your body weight too.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Personally, I was more surprised by the various groups of people who _don't_ have higher metabolic rates: > Children’s metabolic rates stay high until age 5, but the rate slowly begins to glide down until it plateaus around age 20. Interestingly, adult rates are stable until age 60, when they begin to decline. After age 90, humans use about 26% less energy daily, Pontzer says. > The study also found that pregnant wom…

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

I have this 'theory' about 'diet fatigue': the more times you lose weight, the harder it will be the next time. I hadn't associated it with age but with the count of times I (kind of successfully) lost weight through calorie deprivation and sometimes additional physical exercise.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

I can't say for the cases you named but its easy to overlook small lifestyle changes, like how much someone walked in college vs after. That was one shift for me.

Yes! I went from walking from home down to campus and then all around campus everyday. Plus I didn’t have much money for food. Lots of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and noodles/pasta. Now, I drive everywhere and sit on my butt in front of a computer most of the day. Plus I can afford much more calorie rich food, and a lot of it. No surprise I’ve put on 40 pounds over the last 20 years since finishing college.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

I also find the kids can be having a massive tantrum, kicking and screaming for ages, and then moments later they're sleeping like rocks.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems almost unbelievable to me. Almost everyone I know, with a handful of exceptions I can think of, had a dramatic change in what I can only say was metabolism at 30 declining steeply to 40. I can tell you personally my ability to lose weight when exercising daily has decreased significantly since 30. If it’s not metabolism, then what? Diet and exercise are almost identical.

Without more details if be inclined to blame "almost identical" as the culprit (not an expert): Making all your meals 5% bigger would cause a weight gain of nearly 10lbs/yr, and the kind of switch in diet that can happen naturally with age (especially including eating out more with friends) can make it hard to spot incremental changes. Moreover, a lot of exercise doesn't actually do much for weight loss (it's still i…

Exercise isn't always aerobic. Resistance and weight training which causes a muscle buildup can help you lose weight because your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) increases while you build more muscle.

Now if you combine aerobic and anaerobic training strategically, while you have your eating habits checked, you can lose that quarantine weight in no time. This is what i am doing now.

Re: Little kids burn so much energy, they’re like a different species, study finds

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> But children also burn out fast. This is well known in emergency medicine. Not only do kids burn out quick, they also burn out completely because they, unlike adults, don't keep a reserve. This applies to homeostasis, too. Consequently: young trauma victims that "look OK" need to be very closely attended to, because what you might be seeing is a kid burning the very last of their energy reserves just to maintain ho…

My family recently had norovirus ("winter" vomitting bug), which for healthy adults is pretty much nothing other than being stuck on the toilet for a day (as I was). My 2 yo however was in hospital for nearly a week on an IV because of this.

As soon as my wife realised it wasn't just simple vomitting she called a doctor and they told us to go to hospital, so we were there within 3 hours of the first episode. My wife stayed with them in hospital, but because of corona I wasn't allowed to see them - which wasn't particularly nice for me and I'm sure was very traumatic for our kid.

We have all recovered now, but yes it's somewhat surprising how quickly young kids can go downhill.

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