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YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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This whole dog whistle thing is just a way to put whatever interpretation on someone's words you feel like.

Well, that’s the entire point of a dog whistle. They’re intentionally vague enough to encourage listeners to draw their own conclusions. They’re not hard to identify if you understand the viewpoints of the listeners or even just observe their reactions. If two groups like a statement, but they both thought it meant a different thing, that’s probably a dog whistle. Take for instance: “Vote for kube-system, he’s one of…

That’s ambiguity.

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In my opinion, they should be allowing anything they are not required by law to remove.

Which will result in them getting regulated. After being dragged before Congress over and over and being asked "why aren't you doing something about this?" And by the way, not sure what you mean by "required by law." Does that include when corporate lawyers say "if we leave this up, we are at risk of a judge fining us (or awarding someone suing us) a billion dollars." The law isn't crystal clear and black and white,…

> And by the way, not sure what you mean by "required by law." Does that include when corporate lawyers say "if we leave this up, we are at risk of a judge fining us (or awarding someone suing us) a billion dollars."

I was thinking more along the lines of removing posts when ordered to by the government they are incorporated under or by one in whose country to they do business. And if someone finds child porn or something on their servers, point them at the user that posted it. Which might work if they didn't mess with user's posts unless they absolutely had to.

They are only in this current mess because they voluntarily curate, often aggressively.

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It's bizzare to me that it hasn't in other places. When you issue a mandate, it's automatically politicized. In a parallel universe this could have gone so much differently if, trump say, said "I'm not going to force you to wear masks, but please wear them".

To me it feels a bit like "I'm not going to do this thing because you've told me to. If you hadn't have told me then I might have done it but I'm damned if I'm going to now". Which is fine when the public demonstration of a point of principle isn't as important as the thing itself. Otherwise it's a collective act of cutting of one's nose to spite one's face. But maybe this is the part that is somewhat US specific. Th…

For obvious reasons US does have more of a 'uh we bootstrapped from from first principles' approach to political theory, the UK explicitly does not. I would argue that there are good and robust ways to do things in the former sort of a system, possibly ways that are even better than the latter, but I think the US polity has basically been a 250 year struggle to figure that out. I dunno, the US is not doing terribly, there have been some horrible mistakes, but that's to be expected, there are no sinless governments and societies as far as I can tell.

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> YouTube indicated that examples of the offending content in the video included the line: “Most of the masks you get over the counter don’t work. They don’t prevent infection.” > It also included the quote: “Trying to shape human behavior isn’t the same as following the actual science which tells us that cloth masks don’t work.” Regardless of what you think about YouTube's misinformation policy, I don't think this i…

people seem to forget that paul is a board certified surgeon (not just a canonical politician), and his post cited 2 peer reviewed articles that ostensibly passed muster. i don’t have expertise on the science, here, but people are making it out to seem that he’s some nut job science denier. i don’t think that narrative is fair

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? More so than not wearing a mask at all, yes. Are you arguing for more effective mask distribution and more stringent mask enforcement? I think I'd agree that is warranted at the moment. But you're not, you're just whatabouting.

Would love a citation for that. Texas lifted all restrictions including masks and has lower infection rates per capita than most places with mask mandates and Covid restrictions. So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation.

> Would love a citation for that.

Are you living in a cave? How can you not have seen all this. UCSF has this amazing review, and it's right at the top of the google results page: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-abou...

You are claiming not to have seen this not because you have looked for this evidence and failed to find it, but because you have been CONVINCED BY YOUR MEDIA that this evidence doesn't exist.

You also cite lies. Texas is one of the worst areas in the country for both total infection count and current infection rate: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states...

> So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation.

Ditto.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Even Biden admitted the moratorium is unconstitutional. Nobody seems to care.

As an aside, you can see the way the parent (comment you replied to) wanted to shift the conversation to some kind of definition of terms argument instead of actually discussing any salient points. And how they jumped on your example and used it as a kind of strawman to dismiss and explain why your point is baseless.

Actually, I wouldn't have guessed at the eviction moratorium, so it was interesting that that was the chosen example. If that's the kind of thing in question then clearly this is a fundamental difference in perspective on where things started and have been, so differences in opinion on where they're going will probably be impossible to bridge without addressing that, in much the same way that if someone's sailing South from the US and tells me they're going to keep on going that way in order to visit the Arctic, we're going to need to sort some things out before understand what's going on—did they mean Antarctic? Do they know something I don't? Are they just very confused? Hard to say.

And yes, of course I suspected that was the case. But now I know. And this wasn't some kind of ploy—given my understanding of American history I genuinely do not know what someone (you) might have meant by "abandon centuries of liberal democratic tradition and hard fought freedoms". The pandemic response measures seems basically normal to me, in the context of how the US usually operates, in practice. Mild and tame, even. Progress we gain in fits and starts, regressions here and there, often pretty terrible for long stretches of time. Liberty-limiting measures during emergencies, including other pandemics, are typical. We evidently didn't abandon the project of liberal democracy any of those dozens of other, often worse, times when liberty's been more restricted and even heading toward, in the moment, being further restricted, if that project remains as something that can yet be abandoned, so what should I think is meant by that claim? It's either that the writer has a different understanding of the lay of the land, so believes all the above context is incorrect (why? Perhaps we've read entirely different history books? Who knows), or knows something about what's going on, that I don't. It looks like it's the former—unless the eviction moratorium was a bad example of the kind of thing you meant.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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> If the droplets from me don't reach to the first person in the cinema I cannot infect them. It would be nice if that was true. In a small study here in Sweden they tested for covid particles in the AC system, and found particles in every single place they tested. This in a major hospital where everyone are wearing masks, and where the AC is located in the ceiling. The finding was not what the researcher was expecti…

Yes, that's the point masks are better than nothing. They might reduce the likelihood (without much of a negative impact). That's why we should wear them. A vaccination also just reduces the likelihood you get covid. People can still get it and still spread it, even if they are vaccinated. It just reduces the likelihood and masks might do that as well ...

Yes, through masks don't reduce the likelihood of infection in the same way like vaccinations. The vaccination significant reduce infection rate for the person who takes it. Any secondary effect on other people is the result of the vaccinated person not being sick. Mask on other hand might in a limited way reduce spread if the person who wear it is sick. Masks without intake filters has zero effect on the person who wears the mask.

Vaccinations also have requirements with generally 90%+ protection, while masks has anything from 0 to 90% effectiveness in filtering breath emissions. As a effective measure against covid, vaccinations are a much more effective and powerful tool.

After two years and in my experience, you can't have large gatherings and expect a low risks. Neither vaccines nor mask nor the combination of both can produce enough of an defense. 2m distancing, washing hands, and keeping human gatherings inside to an absolute minimum is the only way, and then follow up with mass vaccinations. I don't think given current scientific knowledge that one can cheat that process.

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No the democrats shut mine down and are taxing us for them anyway

Can you write to your local representative?

After several calls with my Oregon house representative, she no longer responds to my e-mails or calls. Can't contact her via social media because I've been blocked there.

I've thought about going to her office but those are closed down too.

Of course, if you just block constituents you can just ... do nothing and in Oregon, you'll be re-elected because there's a big D next to your name. Of course, there's also no non-D candidate running, because it's a one party state. I imagine this is what it must be like to vote in North Korea. Oregon law mandates that one must run under the purview of a political party. Forming a party requires a large set of requirements that means only the democrats can run in many places because there's simply not enough of an opposition to form a cohesive opposition. This prevents independent candidates from running.

There is no incentive for my representatives to change the status quo.

Eventually, I'm guessing I'll vote with my feet, but I don't understand why I should have to move to an area in which the GOP runs unopposed in order to experience the 'other' side. I mean... it's not like the GOP is perfect and a uni-party GOP jurisdiction would be much better. What I want is actual politics with people competing for my vote, instead of people who assume they'll get it.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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Saying cloth masks are effective in the context of (K)N95 masks is even worse misinformation. Even the CDC's website on masks points out you should really be using (K)N95's, and that cloth masks are completely ineffective when wet, which they get after 15 minutes or so of breathing through them. The science on cloth masks says they work, but only shortly and just barely. Rand Paul is closer to the truth by saying the…

I've heavily worked out for 2 hours and worked in the office for 8 hours with a cloth mask without wetness issues. My experience may not be the same for others, but 15 minutes is an exaggeration. As early as April 2020 there was research indicating 2 layer cloth masks were at least 70% as effective as surgical masks, and the ones I have seal much better! Not to mention most people are wearing poorly fitted accordion…

Either your "heavy workouts" are not heavy, or you are the sand guy from the mummy.

Re: YouTube suspends Rand Paul for seven days

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It’s not a scientific discussion to -willfully misrepresent- a study that talks of the ability of a mask to -hold- COVID as “proof that masks don’t work in reducing transmission rates”. And if anyone should know that it’s a fucking MD. So take your personal attacks and fuck off with them.

Those arent personal attacks I'm truly doubtful of your credentials. A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you? Barry Marshall, Semmelweis, and Galileo would like to have a word. Fascists are not interested in the scientific process of discussion or democracy. Over half the country thinks a policy of wearing a dirty rag on your face until the waiter brings the breadsticks is stupid a…

> A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you?

No. This is a disingenuous depiction at best.

Study: "Do masks hold the virus in the cloth/material and can it survive on that cloth/material".

Rand Paul: "Studies (points to the one above) show that masks are unable to prevent the spread of COVID and doesn't stop it".

That's not inconclusivity - we don't know "everything" about COVID. That's describing a very limited study as having extremely different conclusions. And what you do learn or should learn in college-level science is that the scope of such studies is specifically limited. Rand Paul, as a physician, should understand that concept. But, needing it to fit a different agenda, he takes the time to make a professionally produced video that repeatedly describes a study that does not say or attempt to say anything close to what he says it does.

Again, that's not "open discussion of inconclusive subjects", that's misrepresenting other people's work to meet your political needs.

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