1Password for Mac Moving to Electron • Hacker News Board

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by deergomoo » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #37

I'm somewhat baffled and amused by how much hate Electron gets on HN when an existing app moves to it or a new app uses it while at the same time whenever editors and/or IDEs are discussed Visual Studio Code (an Electron all) is massively praised.

VS Code is very good as far as Electron apps go. It would undoubtedly be much better as a fully native app—unfortunately it probably wouldn’t exist outside of Windows.

I feel the same way about JetBrains products—I sure wish they weren’t clunky Java behemoths, but I’m really glad they run on the OS I use.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by yurishimo » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 11:43 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #144

steveklabnik wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Mac user these days, what OS features will it be missing now?

Drag and drop, touchID, AppleWatch unlock, I suppose native menubar (1password mini) access might be on the table... Maybe keyboard clearing (of OTPs).. Universal clipboard?

If they drop touch ID/watch then idk what I'll do. Those are the best features IMO

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by riobard » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 12:14 AM UTC

vmladenov wrote: post #152

riobard wrote: post #50

I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app

This looks great! How well does the auto fill work for web pages? Is there a browser extension? The website is a bit light on detail.

It works mostly well (if the webpage is not trying to be too smart). There're Safari and Chrome extensions.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by weikju » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 12:56 AM UTC

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #58

asdff wrote: post #45

What was even the value proposition of using 1password over the native keychain access on mac? Generating passwords? Safari does this now (albeit always ignores the website's specific password rules and gets it wrong most of the time)

One is vault sharing. Most companies I've worked with will give me a corporate 1Password vault that snaps nearly into my system with no conflicts. Another is MFA support, native keychain doesn't support that at all.

macOS Monterey's keychain (as well as iOS 15) will support MFA, though

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by wdr1 » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

Is the hate around Electron just due to bloat? TBH, I don't care if there's no security ramifications.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by akfanta » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:30 AM UTC

I have been using this app for 9 years because of its polished UX. I don't even mind paying for subscription model because of it, but this is killing its top selling point for me. Bye bye 1p.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by rvz » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:40 AM UTC

the_optimist wrote: post #156

rvz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you think it’s going to be slower Electron is the explanation and it takes up CPU, RAM and Disk Space. If you are running other Electron apps, 1Password is now going to be even more slower. > and in comparison to what? In comparison to 1Password 7 which that is fully native vs the upcoming 1Password 8 which is sitting inside an entire browser.

Do you happen to know the footprint required in a base application of each?

They seem to know: [0]

But even through basic inspection, almost all Electron apps are always more than 120MB of disk space (After unzipping) and when run it is copied to RAM which is at least another 120MB.

Multiply that with the number of Electron apps you are currently running and you can see that it doesn't scale on the limited resources of your own machine. Especially if the user is primarily using Chrome with tons of tabs open.

[0] https://scl.utah.edu/pdf/mac_mgrs/20200617_mm/20200617_mm_el...

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by foobiekr » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

riobard wrote: post #50

I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app

Is there an independent security eval of this product?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by foobiekr » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

asdff wrote: post #45

What was even the value proposition of using 1password over the native keychain access on mac? Generating passwords? Safari does this now (albeit always ignores the website's specific password rules and gets it wrong most of the time)

Is there a way to export stuff from the keychain in bulk yet?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by darnfish » Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 2:17 AM UTC

I downloaded the beta and it works fine, it feels native enough for me not to want to switch over. I really do hate poorly implemented Electron apps though, Discord is okay but Slack is terrible and I'm a Sublime Text user until I can get an M1 to handle that slow asf VS Code cold start (and sometimes hot depending on how many things you have going on)